A Sad Day..... time to accelerate plans to switch to Blender?

[JezUK]

@piotrus3333

perpetual licence does not make sense financially for consumers any more.

Where did you get that from?

@piotrus3333

what also does not make sense financially is to charge less when you can charge more.

Greed is good…

I’m no businessman, but I prefer/admire the “stack em high, sell em cheap” business philosophy ie. lowest price you can to make cost to entry accessible, maximising buyers, versus highest price you can get away with to gouge (loyal) customers (and which also encourages piracy/theft).

[T0ofic]

piotrus3333 you made me puke a little..
do you really think the whole world is like that?

[dean_dmoo]

@piotrus3333

true, perpetual licence does not make sense financially for consumers any more. what also does not make sense financially is to charge less when you can charge more. especially when competition is still behind. there is no progress without incentives. “autodesk future” is merely a reality of free market. we all still use their products so why expect a change?

companies exist to produce revenue. everything else is secondary. all you can expect is a product or service, all you can do is to buy or pass.

at least we have now, in 2022, real alternatives. open source or free. and with subscription model you are free to choose. every year or even every month.

The thing is though companies like Autodesk buy up competitors to minimise competition and then lock you in. I’m looking from an AEC perspective, not only 3d modelling. And you also aren’t “completely free” to change programs when there is an ecosystem around it (plugins/libraries/asset subscriptions/etc). That also locks you in.

In the end it’s a financial calculation whether moving everything to another ecosystem is worth the time and cost. For us it isn’t, and the vray pricing also isn’t an issue fortunately, but I also don’t feel that a 50% price rise gives a positive signal and only means we will become more open to alternative software in the future.

[piotrus3333]

@JezUK

Where did you get that from?

Greed is good…

I’m no businessman, but I prefer/admire the “stack em high, sell em cheap” business philosophy ie. lowest price you can to make cost to entry accessible, maximising buyers, versus highest price you can get away with to gouge (loyal) customers (and which also encourages piracy/theft).

dev cycle is getting shorter, perpetual is getting more expensive. things move fast and 5 year old engine is rarely cutting it anymore.

minimising prices to maximise user base works for amazon. chaos on the other hand has very limited pool of prospective users. very different scale.

[piotrus3333]

@T0ofic

piotrus3333 you made me puke a little..
do you really think the whole world is like that?

the corporate part of world - yes.

[piotrus3333]

@dean_dmoo

The thing is though companies like Autodesk buy up competitors to minimise competition and then lock you in. I’m looking from an AEC perspective, not only 3d modelling. And you also aren’t “completely free” to change programs when there is an ecosystem around it (plugins/libraries/asset subscriptions/etc). That also locks you in.

In the end it’s a financial calculation whether moving everything to another ecosystem is worth the time and cost. For us it isn’t, and the vray pricing also isn’t an issue fortunately, but I also don’t feel that a 50% price rise gives a positive signal and only means we will become more open to alternative software in the future.

look at it like this: some of the money people save by ditching VRay will get to Blender Foundation. great!

becoming more open to alternatives is also nice. flexible ones prevail in the long game.

[T0ofic]

You are a goat living in goat simulator.
just remember to have human feelings every now and then.
cheers