Good morning
I would like to know the difference between these 2 programs, thank you in advance
Came here to ask the same
So… will Envision surpass Vantage? Or are u guys just double dipping?
Just saw their Instagram post. I get what Envision is. It’s so they can take the D5, Twinmotion, Lumion user marketing. Got it. Double dipping. Just to what Autodesk does. Buy out the competitors. Lol
Looks like an updated Vantage to me, although the blurb about the robust scene integration has me head scratching, how is that possibly any different than Vantage.. Looks like Vantage with Anima in-built plus a few tricks like Twinmotion etc?
Anyone from Chaos care to explain more?
Thanks
Envision is focused on architectural visualization workflows coming from CAD/BIM tools (e.g., Revit, SketchUp, Rhino), supplying what isn’t possible there, and delivering final results. This allows Vantage to focus on DCC workflows, (e.g., 3ds Max, Maya, Cinema4D) which now includes pre-visualization and virtual production. In doing so, Envision will focus on being the ideal companion to Enscape while Vantage focuses on being the same for V-Ray and now Corona. While they use the same underlying renderer, you will see them gain different capabilities over time as Envision focuses on Design and Vantage on M&E.
does it mean we can expect Vantage becoming a fully integrated DCC plugin soon?
You can expect Vantage to get all the better in working within the DCC tools and their pipelines.
What would you be hoping to gain in having it as a traditional plugin?
Lol… it’s geared towards designers who want to do what vis peeps do now with Max. Funny that most vis artist that do architectural visualization use models that come from the mentioned applications. Now designers and architects will do it themselves. Interesting to see how this will affect the amount of requests arch vis peeps get.
Envision isn’t inventing a new category - we just think that Chaos can produce a better solution then those based on game engines.
In doing so, we think it will strengthen the opportunities for archviz specialists because you’re workflow is already part of the Chaos ecosystem which will soon include Envision.
Is it fair to say that people who have already been paying and using Vantage, is not expected to becoming Envision users?
I would have thought that a fairer way to approach this would be having Vantage gains all Envision’s capabilities, and Envision becomes a striped down version of Vantage (and cheaper).
less friction and efficiency.
I’m hoping Vantage can be what VRay RT started and tried to be.
it’s hard to imagine you can achieve the level of scene manipulation/management of traditional DCC with Vantage.
with Envision around the corner it seems that Vantage can naturally become a plugin. even if only for Maya/Max.
With Live Link, it pretty much is like a plugin in my opinion. I’ve never used it as a stand alone piece of software.
I agree though, Vantage has the potential to take over from RT, however getting production level animations (flicker free) should be high on Chaos’ development list.
separate app model was probably quite helpful during development of Vantage. lean and quick to iterate. I get that. but we’ll have Vantage 3 soon. essentials are most likely nailed down.
I’m interested in rendering engine, not another app that can not even benefit from maxscript based render output management tool I’ve been using in Max for more than 12 years. targeting media and entertainment users without simple render farm support? come on.
Ohh I agree with you on the render manager, we should be able to stack renders in the same way we do with Backburner, Deadline, etc
and that is just a small sample of features Vantage as standalone app is missing. features you are used to in the DCC of your choice. now Vantage development team can use resources duplicating all that or just turn Vantage into a traditional plugins. probably just Maya/Max/C4D/Blender.
I find this discussion quite interesting. So as others has mentioned, what is probably happening here is that you are making Vantage obsolete by creating Envision, even before Vantage as a product matured - which from a product point of view is not very intuitive.
According to this thread, Envision is aiming for working with visualization of CAD-models. Which is basically what most people do with Vantage in one or another way anyway, or do you have data that say otherwise?
I’m sure there are people here who are waiting for Vantage to have live link capabilities from more programs, and for it to have more integrations, which would be a natural expansion of the software by time.
As @joeykey said:
“I would have thought that a fairer way to approach this would be having Vantage gains all Envision’s capabilities, and Envision becomes a striped down version of Vantage (and cheaper).”
I second this very strongly. Vantage seems already very capable of loading heavy files, and it also have gained a certain momentum in the general workflows around. And now you leave people in uncertainity and doubt.
It seems like the use case that Envision will be solving, is integrations with drafting programs - which IMO could be solved with adding plugins to Vantage for enabling these integrations (to avoid bloatware in Vantage).
Please don’t make these two separately. The features added in Envision must at some point be added to Vantage as well, or else Vantage is dead.
Can you please elaborate a little more about Envision vs Vantage?
Sure, your competitors not finding out what your next move is, is cruical, but now in 2024 please be a little customer oriented.
I’ve just opened Envision. this is nothing like Vantage.
Envision will join Enscape, Twinmotion, D5, Lumion etc and Vantage will continue towards becoming what VRay RT could never be.
So why Enscape then? Enscape, Envision, Vantage. All three seemingly targeting the same people. Right now, Envision looks like Project Lavina in beta.
Enscape is a very well established product. It’s not going anywhere. Envision is just a new kid on the block: all the benefits of raytracing, ease of use of Twinmotion. Targets the same crowd but the crowd is huge, there is space for one more.
Vantage is a tech preview. tool for almost everybody (that is users with a need for fast output), sure - but this also makes it not perfect for most. with Envision being around Vantage is simply ditching unnecessary weight so it can grow it’s user base in media and entertainment space.
I obviously would love the name being changed to VRay RT but oh well (although it would create probably less confusion than Vantage and Envision now - marketing is not easy).