# Frame slowdown **URL:** \ **Category:** Issues\ **Created:** [June 24, 2013, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569 "2013-06-24T11:37:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Macker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@Macker](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Macker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/1 "2013-06-24T11:37:56Z")
Hey guys, i’m rendering out an animation and have a slight issue. When I render a single frame, it takes about ~5 minutes, yet when I render the animation (using precalcs!) the render time per frame has gone up to around 10 to 15 minutes per image. Common sense dictates that it should be quicker when rendering using precalcs, any ideas why it is rendering slower? The irradiance map is fairly large (250mb) but surely this shouldn’t slow it down _that_ much. Surely it should be quicker as it isn’t having to calculate it on every frame?! ---
**Author:** ![Macker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@Macker](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Macker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/2 "2013-06-24T11:49:16Z")
is it possible to have _too_ much detail in an irradiance map? Is there perhaps a way of filtering it at rendertime so that not every sample is used, etc? I’m clutching at straws here because I’m totally out of time on this and really need a solution fast. Would adjusting the sample-lookup function make a difference at rendertime on a precomputed irradiance map, or is this calculated during the irradiance map calculation? ---
**Author:** ![Macker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@Macker](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Macker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/3 "2013-06-24T13:17:32Z")
Well, it hasn’t made much difference at all. I simply don’t know why an animation with pre computed irriadiance & light cache is going slower (per frame) than rendering it without any precalcs. A 3x increase in render time?! ---
**Author:** ![Brendan\_Coyle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e99b99/32.png) [@Brendan\_Coyle](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Brendan_Coyle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/4 "2013-06-24T16:08:12Z")
maybe it has to do with the frame interpolation? having to blend the frames before & after to smooth out the GI in the animation ---
**Author:** ![Neilg](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/neilg/32/7044_2.png) [@Neilg](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Neilg)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/5 "2013-06-24T16:30:35Z")
Interpolation does take some time. Is it safe to assume that when you were doing single frame tests, the settings were lower? How did you go about doing the pre-calc? is it set up for moving objects, was it done every 30 frames, did you use ‘use camera path’ option? ---
**Author:** ![Macker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@Macker](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Macker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/6 "2013-06-24T17:33:42Z")
the pre-calc setup was the same as the single test frame, except set up as a multiframe incrimental. I did it every 5 frames, so there is plenty of detail there considering the only thing moving is the camera. ---
**Author:** ![svetlozar.draganov](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/svetlozar.draganov/32/53004_2.png) [@svetlozar.draganov](https://forums.chaos.com/u/svetlozar.draganov)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/7 "2013-06-25T14:51:20Z")
Would it be possible to send you scene for investigation ? ---
**Author:** ![REDVERTEX](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/redvertex/32/19770_2.png) [@REDVERTEX](https://forums.chaos.com/u/REDVERTEX)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/8 "2013-08-15T16:34:03Z")
We have similar problem here in Red Vertex when the motion blur is on. Rendering the frame with montion blur on workstation is ok but when we send it to the Backburner it starts to render several times slower. ---
**Author:** ![tashko.zashev](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/tashko.zashev/32/275280_2.png) [@tashko.zashev](https://forums.chaos.com/u/tashko.zashev)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/frame-slowdown/45569/9 "2013-08-16T11:39:07Z")
> [@PLastic Refractive shader?](https://forums.chaos.com/t/plastic-refractive-shader/41806/3): > > We have similar problem here in Red Vertex when the motion blur is on. Rendering the frame with montion blur on workstation is ok but when we send it to the Backburner it starts to render several times slower. Unfortunately i can’t reproduce this with simple scene setup. It will be best if you could supply a scene to test with. Also the exact 3DS Max version and V-Ray that you are using.