# How sensitive is Enscape on models over 20k polys? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** enscape-sketchup\ **Created:** [April 2, 2021, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101 "2021-04-02T10:51:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wil\_schroter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/wil_schroter/32/235391_2.png) [@wil\_schroter](https://forums.chaos.com/u/wil_schroter)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/1 "2021-04-02T10:51:05Z")
I’ve been creating Enscape custom assets that seems to warn me that having over 20k polys is a problem. They weren’t kidding - even adding one with no other geometry blue screens my system! Is this just a limit on how we can use Enscape assets or do we have a limit for how many polys our proxy assets can be? ---
**Author:** ![kris\_dewinter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/kris_dewinter/32/223370_2.png) [@kris\_dewinter](https://forums.chaos.com/u/kris_dewinter)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/2 "2021-04-02T12:29:12Z")
It’s always a good thing to limit poly counts. Use TRANSMUTR [Transmutr](https://transmutr.com/) or similar soft’ ---
**Author:** ![wil\_schroter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/wil_schroter/32/235391_2.png) [@wil\_schroter](https://forums.chaos.com/u/wil_schroter)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/3 "2021-04-02T14:43:35Z")
@kris_dewinter I’m trying to get an understanding if the 20k limit is more specific to the proprietary Enscape Custom Assets that you have to import or whether it matters for other assets that are Linked Models. Obviously lower poly performs better but I’m just trying to understand Enscape limitations. ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Pieter\_2](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Pieter_2)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/4 "2021-04-02T14:53:43Z")
The 20k is not a hard limit. It depends on a number of factors including: - how much you go over the limit (1 million polygons is going to be a way bigger problem than 30 000) - how many times the high poly asset will show up in the model (and even more so: in the same view) - the complexity of scene as a whole (if this is a small scene or a giant project) - your hardware - the way you’re running Enscape (resolution of your screen, regular mode or VR, …). We have some assets that go over the limit, but we try never to go over it by a lot. Of our 600 custom assets only 5% is over the 20k limit and only 4 assets are over 100.000. Those 4 are unique assets (artwork) that only show up once in the entire project, and for which we couldn’t find a realistic way to simplify them. My advise: do some trial and error, err on the side of caution when you can. ---
**Author:** ![wil\_schroter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/wil_schroter/32/235391_2.png) [@wil\_schroter](https://forums.chaos.com/u/wil_schroter)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/5 "2021-04-02T14:55:49Z")
@Pieter_2 For Enscape Custom Assets I can see sticking to the 20k count. What about Linked Models? ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Pieter\_2](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Pieter_2)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/6 "2021-04-02T15:10:08Z")
As far as I’m aware, the total scene size will be: main file + linked files + assets. It will depend on your hardware whether the total scene size will run smoothly. I’ve seen scenes of millions of poligons run smoothly, but there’s always going to be an upper limit for each hardware configuration. As far as scene sizes go, 20.000 is very low. We’ve run scenes with waaaaay more than that. Maybe the issue you’re having is not related to polycount? ---
**Author:** ![wil\_schroter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/wil_schroter/32/235391_2.png) [@wil\_schroter](https://forums.chaos.com/u/wil_schroter)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/7 "2021-04-02T15:17:39Z")
@Pieter_2 I’m running on an i9 @ 5ghz wih 64gb memory and a single Nvidia RTX 3090. I rarely see the hardware get maxxed per Task Manager but maybe I’m missing something elsewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Pieter\_2](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Pieter_2)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/8 "2021-04-02T19:32:53Z")
Yeah hardware shouldn’t be an issue with those specs 🙂 So it could be an issue with the file itself, your drivers or a bug in enscape. Do you have other users in your office/group that can test the file you’re having trouble with? ---
**Author:** ![cornetjr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/65b543/32.png) [@cornetjr](https://forums.chaos.com/u/cornetjr)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/9 "2021-04-07T20:29:57Z")
Never had an issue with assets over 20,000k, your graphics card should easily power through larger assets. I am running on a nvidia quadro rtx 8000. Most of my custom 3d people are 100k polys and using Max tree libraries. I have a few special models over 1 million. The only issues I used to experience was texture loading delays, but with the new texture threading update, I have seen huge improvements. ---
**Author:** ![wil\_schroter](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/wil_schroter/32/235391_2.png) [@wil\_schroter](https://forums.chaos.com/u/wil_schroter)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/10 "2021-04-08T16:36:03Z")
@cornetjr Would you be able to think of any reason why Enscape would have a problem with an Enscape Custom Asset versus a Proxy? It seems they are both just calling an external model. I ask because external proxies very commonly have more than 20k polys. I’m just wondering if there is any code around the Enscape Custom Assets that present some unique challenge. Could be nothing, just curious. ---
**Author:** ![elliott.h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a4c791/32.png) [@elliott.h](https://forums.chaos.com/u/elliott.h)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/how-sensitive-is-enscape-on-models-over-20k-polys/172101/11 "2021-04-14T06:22:47Z")
The gold standard for this issue would be to implement dynamic Level Of Detail (LOD) handling at render time - particularly for stills. At present Enscape is virtually unable to render stills of many of my scenes and I have not yet managed to export a 360 panorama at all. What might help is using dynamic polygon reduction to simplify long distance, out of shot and overly complex models and textures.