I’m glad i ain’t your client.
And you keep misunderstanding me - At no point I say that this should be the default and only way. I just ask for an option or for possibility to do it as post effect in vfb (with the full 32 bit linear stuff in the background ‘wasted’)
As for that Vlados’s burnout photo - send that to any client and I guarantee a response like “get rid of the nuclear explosion on the wall”At any rate I think your position of not wasting time on the ldr postwork or output seems clear.
You will never obtain the results from the VFB that you could obtain by (wrongly) tweaking CM.
It’s a basic operation order (and physical accuracy besides) issue.
Nothing to be done about it.
LUTs? Tonemapping? If you know what you’re doing, it’s mostly all there.
If we decided to not promote certain aspects of the VFB capabilities was precisely to avoid misuse.
That was clearly a failure.
Notice you said ALL pro photographers. Suddenly the argument is shifting that not all but most shoot raw only. To disprove your argument that ALL pros shoot raw only, I need to post just one guy who shoots jpegs.
Here you go - http://fr.franckboutonnet.com/weddings/
This guy specifically mentioned in an interview that he shoots all manual and jpeg only as a discipline to get the shot right right from the press of the shutter.
There - your statement proven as false. Your hundreds of links will be relevant only to your new argument.
I said ALL WORTH OF NOTICE (English: all of those pertaining to a specific category: that of the noteworthy.).
You can find me as many shoddy photographers wedding pictures in fantastic locations as you please, and the argument is still not proven (as particularly you point me to no such interview, and google returns zero on this guy. I think the little town i live in has 2 such photographers too, and only one bread maker!.).
I’m anyway tired of the rush to the lowest possible point of any given issue: it’s terrible debate etiquette, logically invalid, and non-actionable, so i’ll have no part in it.
Sure, most have the “shoot raw” as a sacred mantra, but I could argue that for a lot of them it is waste of time, hdd space and processing work. This is a point we will disagree on, because for me the resulting picture is more important than the process, for you I think it is the opposite (correct me if I’m wrong).
You are: there is no example of repeatable art done without a methodology (even Chaos has rules, go figure.).
Method serves the purpose, frees the mind of the burden of technology (once it has fully embraced the needed one, and prepared properly around a pipeline, whatever that may consist of.), and enables the artist to wholly concentrate on the creative task.
If not, Michelangelo would have thrown rocks at a marble block to try and get the David, but he clearly did not: he rather built on each of his forays, from the Pieta’ to the Bacchus, from the David to the Moses, the technology he used as fabled as the results he obtained.
As for any credit i should have on what works and what doesn’t, that’s for the beholder to decide.
It’s not the language itself, it is the implied tone (which might exist only in my head). Maybe it is just miscommunication over the internet, or perhaps we just that we misunderstand what the other is saying all the time.
Sorry for any offense or hurt feelings, it’s not my intention.
No you are right, i am miffed at the feeling of having spent the last decade PRECISELY in this place: between the obvious, objective, and and data-driven, and the arbitrary, haphazard, and unproven.
Between being miffed, and being offensive, there’s a huge stretch, and i do not feel i ever crossed the specific threshold.
But no, you do not have the power to change the course of my day in either direction: it’s debating on ideas, i like to think, so no blows need being held back, as long as they stay directed to ideas and concepts. And if i get smacked in the face once or twice, by accident or else, ah well, i spilt no blood anyway, and i may learn something from it.
Honestly, it would be really useful if you or someone else at Chaosgroup would put together some definite guides about the right ways of doing things. I mean full on comprehensive info on the best practices, tools, example workflows. Right now all this stuff is scattered around the forums in little pieces and most of it is dated/changed/irrelevant etc.
I think average user feels like a blind chicken picking for breadcrumbs all the time.
No wonder we are sticking to what works for us instead of embracing a better way (which implemented only part way is usually making things only worse)
On this we agree.
Time is however limited, and this argument had been settled a decade ago, the sticky threads on this very forums proof of that.
It leaves me wondering if a video would change anything at all for the better, where ten years of stickies, and constant repetition, couldn’t.
p.s.: Vlado’s picture illustrated a concept, like a finger pointing at the moon, and very clearly so. Debating the finger is truly, truly unwise in public.