making and saving toolbars in any max version

i noticed overtime that toolbars like those from forest pack and a few others like to move back to some places they default to after you’ve placed them where you want to and lock them, how to prevent them from doing this is what am wondering, simple thing but its annoying sometimes

Have you tried saving your Toolbars cuix file in the “Customise Interface” (under “Toolbars”) ?

yup, tried it, save them whenever i like them to reload as well but certain toolbars never stay inplace