# Max crashes with Foam Particles **URL:** \ **Category:** Issues\ **Created:** [June 20, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340 "2018-06-20T03:56:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Turtle247](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Turtle247](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Turtle247)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340/1 "2018-06-20T03:56:20Z")
Hi I am in need of help I have a sim thats 160 frames long and I can get it to render the foam particles all the way up to 125 frames and then my max scene crashes. I was wondering if there was a limit on particle count when rendering? Im am trying to render 300 million + foam particles in the scene is that to many? once the render trys to calculate the the foam it crashes instanly. I have a lowes res version of the same sim that rendered fine but this was a final high res sim I was doing. Is there anything I can do? Gris size is 1123x282x1210 cell size.04m cell total cell size is 745,191,040 ---
**Author:** ![georgi.zhekov](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/georgi.zhekov/32/5768_2.png) [@georgi.zhekov](https://forums.chaos.com/u/georgi.zhekov)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340/2 "2018-06-20T06:07:38Z")
Hey, Can you tell us what version V-Ray and Phoenix are you using? Is it possible that you run out of RAM? Even if you run out of memory there should be no crashes. ---
**Author:** ![Turtle247](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Turtle247](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Turtle247)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340/3 "2018-06-20T12:26:25Z")
Im useing vray version 3.50.04 and phoenix version 3.10.00 Im pretty sure im not running out of ram I have 128gb of ram to work with and I dont think its getting close to that ---
**Author:** ![georgi.zhekov](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/georgi.zhekov/32/5768_2.png) [@georgi.zhekov](https://forums.chaos.com/u/georgi.zhekov)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340/4 "2018-06-20T13:00:15Z")
Is it possible to try with a newer V-Ray version and latest nightly for Phoenix? We did quite a lot of fixes since the version you are using came out. ---
**Author:** ![Turtle247](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Turtle247](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Turtle247)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340/5 "2018-06-20T22:59:06Z")
Unfortunately I can’t download the nightlys or get a newer verson of vray at this time what is the current version of vray that is out is it a free upgrade? If so I can talk to my software people about getting it. ---
**Author:** ![georgi.zhekov](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/georgi.zhekov/32/5768_2.png) [@georgi.zhekov](https://forums.chaos.com/u/georgi.zhekov)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340/6 "2018-06-21T07:48:03Z")
You can get V-Ray 3.60.04 as a free upgrade - you should be able to log in on the Chaosgroup site and get it from the Download section. ---
**Author:** ![Svetlin.Nikolov](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/svetlin.nikolov/32/64983_2.png) [@Svetlin.Nikolov](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Svetlin.Nikolov)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/max-crashes-with-foam-particles/89340/7 "2018-06-21T10:00:52Z")
However, it’s important that you get the latest Phoenix nightly too 🙂