Nordic Bay

I am arrived

Someone is asking me for tips! I have arrived! Do I get some kind of head wear or something :smile:.

My tips would not be settings since my settings might not work for your scene. I would recommend to understand each tool and how that tool works. You should only change one setting at a time, render and compare the quality with the speed. You can set numbers higher and see a large increase in render time and no apparent improvement in quality. Start low and move things up, one at a time, until you get your desires results. If a low setting turned high didn’t improve your image return it the previous setting and try something else.

What the heck happened to you? It seems you took a big jump in quality. Congratulations. :wink:

I should add that the lighting is very well balanced. Only thing I’d do to the first image is add a little height variation in some of the background trees.

Color Options

Here are some color options. Which one do you like?

Changes

This Architect is driving my crazy. You know the type… each time they look at it they make a comment that could have been made changes before. I keep asking them to look at it as a group and make all their comments at once. Today, after 3 months of back and forth, they mentioned wanting a fireplace screen. Ok, not a complicated request, but they could have requested it from the initial mass model. are you guys requiring change order sign offs? How many changes do you allow without charging more? I can only assume it is ignorance to the process, which is probably my fault.

When I completed the model I show it to them as an AO Pass. This is the point that changes should be made, correct? I don’t want to nickel and dime, but I probably should charge an hourly rate after that first approved model.

Any advice would be appreciated.

This is all a drawback of our generation hyper realistic renderings. The more real real it gets, the pickier the clients are.

I’m writing from a different perspective (mostly geography-wise) so i don’t know how competent my advice would be, but i would definitely charge for any extra effort which results from the client designing through your models.

It’s always like that when you work with architects. They treat you like an in-house 3d modeler which is a cog in the design process, even thought you’re an illustrator, a professional in what you may even call a different field.

I hope that i’m not getting lost in translation here. What i’m trying to say is that high-end illustrations which are an output from a dedicated professional should not be used like this in the design process.

However if it is, it should be charged accordingly, so if someone can afford it… let him be your guest.

Union

Let’s start a union :slight_smile:

really nice exterior!. Maybe the fact that is isn’t in full sun helps prevent the washed out/oversaturated material look?

For the interior colourschemes i like the middle one - just looks good to me

I think your control and consistancy between materials, lighting and models over the image as a whole is making the most difference and i think it is very important for detailed jobs such as these to allow the maximum impact of the geometry (rather than having an odd material stand out). so anyway, hope that makes sense, keep up the great work

Interiors

I like the middle as well. Light placement is very important and usually dictates everything in my scenes.

I am still not getting any emotion from the architect. All I get is changes and picky complaints. I should post an example of the work they were getting.

Anyway, thanks for the posts.

The exterior shot looks really good. Very impressive!

And I know all about the picky architects. At some point in the process we just tell them that we’re going to exceed the budget they had if they keep on going making changes.
Since I work for an interior architect, we sometimes just ask them to let us portray our vision on it, instead of listening to what they want, and most of the time that works…

- only if you let them treat you that way

Make it clear in your contract that the client has to sign off on the modeling, lighting and texturing. Changes after that are additional services. That’s just good business. If you’re fair they won’t look at it as nickel & diming. If they have good warning up front in the contract that you mean business, they’ll treat you like a businessman. If they don’t, you shouldn’t want to work with them anyway. It’s all about being professional.

And some people are just never happy. I’ve worked with people like that. I made 50% of the original fee in additional services off that guy :smile:

Fee

That is funny. I guess he will not return! It is a win/win. Either he will not return or if he does you’ll profit.

By the way, nice improvement on the interiors. Push them a little farther and start submitting to Vismasters for an Image of the Week award.

Image of the week

That sounds like a great idea. Any tips on submitting?

Here’s some tips,
- Work on cleaning up the ceiling. It looks like you’re using an AO pass in photoshop.
- Look at glossy reflections for wood in real life for reference. For example, the wood timber framing looks like it’s got the same sheen as a sugar glazed doughnut, “mmmmm” Homer says with drewl dripping down the front of his shirt :wink:
- Work on better stone materials at the fire place - Arroway is a great start for that, or Crazybump

The lighting is pretty much there. It’s just a few minor things that are bringing the image down. It’s still leaps and bounds more improved than the church interior you did of the two story lobby space. Good work.

Arroway

I did look into the Arroway DVD’s but the libraries don’t seem to have common types. No river rocks or ledge stone. I guess I can use better materials for the submission part since they can be fictitious.

i know what you mean about picky clients. I think after a few jobs some of them can really start taking your work for granted.

Its weird though that sometimes you get criticised the entire way through a project and you get the impression that the client isn’t happy but this isnt always the case. Many people just want to see how far they can push it and its not because they are unhappy. I’ve found that clients pickyness is dependant on the quality you produce. The more realistic things get, they sometimes get pickier and want it to look real. Often this can be frustrating because they get hung up on unimportant details rather than looking at the impression as a whole. I have a feeling that it may be similar with your client who isn’t giving positive feedback but may actually be very happy with things

And why do so many clients just take your prelims and not rely/respond for 2 weeks and then all of a sudden they spring amendments on you that are due the next day?. Or if they are happy with your prelims they just go and start advertising the image without responding or paying even if its just a crappy low resolution JPG preview? I generally get treated like my work isnt needed or important, yet the work gets carefully scrutinised as if it isnt just an artists impression. I think its a bit of a thankless business except for when you get new clients who are always “blown away”…but only on the first job

Anyway getting a bit carried away here. sorry :stuck_out_tongue:

Not bad, as already said its just the roof that could be better. You seem to have developed your own unique style, i think i would easily recognise your images from a bunch of randoms - and possibly thats down to the trees you use and lighting, you get away with casting the main focus in shadow. Interesting.

We just had a laugh about your profile, jesus first, wife second, kids come third then 3d…
“dad we’re hungry!”
“bugger off ive got church then im taking your mum to the movies!”

oh please don’t mention jeebus!. Don’t you know this forum is full of heathens? I’ll need to dig out a crucifix and holywater to fend them off.

every time someone says Jesus Christ I think if my mum when i was a kid cursing away at everything but other than that I’m keeping out of all religious debate :stuck_out_tongue:

so anyway, nice images again and i agree that you have developed your own recognizable style which is a good acheivement

That made me roll-up! :smile: