# Phoenix simulation as particles

**URL:** <https://forums.chaos.com/t/phoenix-simulation-as-particles/45832>\
**Category:** Issues\
**Created:** [July 25, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/phoenix-simulation-as-particles/45832 "2013-07-25T17:22:28Z")\
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**Author:** ![arcfx](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/arcfx/32/34242_2.png) [@arcfx](https://forums.chaos.com/u/arcfx)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/phoenix-simulation-as-particles/45832/1 "2013-07-25T17:22:28Z")

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I have to create a massive dust cloud “the size of a small planet”, I was wanting to know if there was a way of using phoenix simulations as a particles so to fake more detail. If not I was thinking of going the “AfterBurn or Pyrocluster” rout. Opinions please. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Ivaylo\_Katev](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/ivaylo_katev/32/3695_2.png) [@Ivaylo\_Katev](https://forums.chaos.com/u/Ivaylo_Katev)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/phoenix-simulation-as-particles/45832/2 "2013-07-26T05:40:27Z")

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i’m not sure what you mean with “as particles”, perhaps you can do it with phoenix. int [this video](https://vimeo.com/69599092) 50M particles are used to represent the smoke. as i understand you need static smoke, not moving. in this case you can try to use displacement of low res smoke ball with cellular or noise texture.

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**Author:** ![arcfx](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/arcfx/32/34242_2.png) [@arcfx](https://forums.chaos.com/u/arcfx)\
**Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/phoenix-simulation-as-particles/45832/3 "2013-07-29T02:57:07Z")

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I didn’t know you could displace the smoke, I thought this was just for solid surfaces. Thanks, will give it a try!