i don’t use MAX for modelling for all the reasons that you wrote there…I try to use the best of all the software I use. I’m an Sketchup fan because I can model most of the geometry way faster than a fast Max modeler but of course Organic shapes are always a problem in sketchup then I use Rhino for that to be combined in MAX. I really don’t like that way MAX works for modeling…too many steps, snap is terrible and i don’t feel that I’m using my time very efficient.