# Sand **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [January 27, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568 "2022-01-27T17:27:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stezza](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/stezza/32/39485_2.png) [@stezza](https://forums.chaos.com/u/stezza)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568/1 "2022-01-27T17:27:14Z")
Is it possible to create a pile of sand being poured out of a cup with Phoenix? ---
**Author:** ![fixeighted](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/fixeighted/32/45854_2.png) [@fixeighted](https://forums.chaos.com/u/fixeighted)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568/2 "2022-01-27T19:01:17Z")
I don’t think it has a granular solver yet, though not sure,…but Tyflow can for sure. I just tried repurposing the example granular file and it work’s very well for exactly this setup, if that helps. ---
**Author:** ![stezza](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/stezza/32/39485_2.png) [@stezza](https://forums.chaos.com/u/stezza)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568/3 "2022-01-28T00:06:15Z")
Thanks for that, the only other issue is that I need to be able to do it in Maya!! ---
**Author:** ![fixeighted](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/fixeighted/32/45854_2.png) [@fixeighted](https://forums.chaos.com/u/fixeighted)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568/4 "2022-01-28T08:08:13Z")
Yeah I thought that may be the case, though only after I had tested and posted. It’s a shame, as the results are so quick and so very good. I did find this, if it may be helpful [https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/maya/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2019/ENU/Bifrost-Common/files/simulate-dynamic-effects/create-mpm-simulations/Bifrost-Common-simulate-dynamic-effects-create-mpm-simulations-set-up-a-granular-simulation-html-html.html](https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/maya/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2019/ENU/Bifrost-Common/files/simulate-dynamic-effects/create-mpm-simulations/Bifrost-Common-simulate-dynamic-effects-create-mpm-simulations-set-up-a-granular-simulation-html-html.html) Or if you have any budget then maybe [https://effectivetds.com/resources/fx-tools/storm/](https://effectivetds.com/resources/fx-tools/storm/) ---
**Author:** ![stezza](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/stezza/32/39485_2.png) [@stezza](https://forums.chaos.com/u/stezza)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568/5 "2022-01-28T12:05:38Z")
Storm looks good will try the demo and see how the export to Maya and Vray goes. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![pipe\_mm](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/pipe_mm/32/65538_2.png) [@pipe\_mm](https://forums.chaos.com/u/pipe_mm)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568/6 "2022-03-03T16:33:55Z")
Bifrost is great exactly for that. It has a readymade sand setup integrated. I just did wonderful snow last week. If you need support on how to set it up, just ask ---
**Author:** ![stezza](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/stezza/32/39485_2.png) [@stezza](https://forums.chaos.com/u/stezza)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/sand/108568/7 "2022-03-03T16:46:31Z")
Hi there. Bifrost seems to be the preferred method for me but havent even started the learning curve to implement it just yet. I would like to try this method with Bifrost so any starting screen shots would be fab - even a little video tutorial for the community??? I ended up using Gaea for my terrain creation with displacement and bump. Here’s a sneak peek, can’t show too much as its for Autodesk.. ![Screenshot.jpg](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/original/2X/a/aff3f43fea288d3d84f0e757987c1991aed9125a.jpeg)