# VRay Instancer with particles other than PFlow?

**URL:** <https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705>\
**Category:** Issues\
**Created:** [May 18, 2018, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705 "2018-05-18T10:56:03Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 6\
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**Author:** ![piotrus3333](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/piotrus3333/32/17521_2.png) [@piotrus3333](https://forums.chaos.com/u/piotrus3333)\
**Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705/1 "2018-05-18T10:56:03Z")

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anybody made it work with PCloud etc?

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**Author:** ![vlado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/779978/32.png) [@vlado](https://forums.chaos.com/u/vlado)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705/2 "2018-05-19T05:02:14Z")

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I haven’t tested it actually, good point. It does work with Krakatoa and PRT reader from Phoenix FD though. The different particle systems in Max all have different ways of accessing the data and it’s a real pain.

Best regards,  
Vlado

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**Author:** ![piotrus3333](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/piotrus3333/32/17521_2.png) [@piotrus3333](https://forums.chaos.com/u/piotrus3333)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705/3 "2018-05-22T13:20:32Z")

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I hoped one of these other systems would be a bit more efficient for generating a lot of simple particles (like grass)

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**Author:** ![vlado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/779978/32.png) [@vlado](https://forums.chaos.com/u/vlado)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705/4 "2018-05-22T16:01:36Z")

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I see. I don’t think any of those includes particle orientation though - just position and (if we are lucky) velocity. So not quite sure they can be used for scattering stuff.

Best regards,  
Vlado

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**Author:** ![piotrus3333](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/piotrus3333/32/17521_2.png) [@piotrus3333](https://forums.chaos.com/u/piotrus3333)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705/5 "2018-05-23T08:58:01Z")

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thanks for clarifying.

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**Author:** ![piotrus3333](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/chaosprd/user_avatar/forums.chaos.com/piotrus3333/32/17521_2.png) [@piotrus3333](https://forums.chaos.com/u/piotrus3333)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.chaos.com/t/vray-instancer-with-particles-other-than-pflow/88705/6 "2018-07-16T13:17:18Z")

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some good news - definitely a chance for VRayInstancer to get more love:

> **[Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/%5C_tyflow%5C_/)**

[http://cgpress.org/archives/tyflow-a…velopment.html](http://cgpress.org/archives/tyflow-a-multi-threaded-rewrite-of-pflow-plus-a-lot-more-is-in-development.html)