Sunset BLVD

[JezUK]

I turn down work when it sounds like someone is trying to avoid the cost of an architect or designer.

Very wise

[glorybound]

I turn down work when it sounds like someone is trying to avoid the cost of an architect or designer, however, this project is for an architect. I am going to seriously look at my contract over the next month and I'll probably go see a layer to help write something up that protects me. My current contract is very clear that they get two gray-scale revisions and two-color revisions and it also talks about additional fees for changes to the original documents.

[JezUK]

It's usual to state in your Terms and Conditions that 'design' is an extra (I've seen that on other Visualiser T&Cs) - because at this point, they are now 'designing' it (with your assistance !).

Through experience, I have made it one of first things I say habitually to prospective new clients - "I am not a designer, I am a 3d visualiser. I take your design and make turn it into a CG 'photograph'.".

If they wish to start designing their item, once they've had a chance to take a look at it in 3d, then there is a fee to add and I'm ready with "I can only give you a quote on what's in front of me during the quote stage, I cannot build into my price x revisions, which may/may not happen, as that'd make me uncompetitive and/or expensive to you". Clients always understand and accept that stance when worded like that (but I also stress that when it's small stuff, I do those of course).

My experience though hasn't been as tough as I make it sound. I struggle to remember the last time a client seriously messed me about regarding their designs (actually, I now do, it was a really good interior designer who didn't like her own design once she saw it and said she needed to have a rethink.... I charged her for that, because it was seriously radical (like doing it all again) and we haven't worked together since .....).

It's up to you Bobby, if it's a small change, I usually fit those in for free anyway (as I'm sure you do).

[glorybound]

This is the problem I have with these, which goes back to my late fee question. The architect hires me to illustrate the design, but the architect's client doesn't like the design, so they are not willing to pay for the final rendering. The architect's client liked the 2D drawings, but seeing it in actual photo-real 3D, they no longer like it. It's obvious to me that I get payed anyway, but it doesn't seem to be so obvious to the architect's client, which isn't my problem because I have a contract with the architect. Do I make a ton of changes for free, stop working on things until they agree on a change order, walk away, or take it to Judge Judy?

[glorybound]

Good eye, dean_dmoo - I took the color grading off of the sky.

[glorybound]

I don't like it either. Good sky advice, I'll remove the sky color grading and repost.

[dean_dmoo]

Decent work bobby, but I just can't get past the utterly, utterly hideous "design". I'm not sure you can actually name it a design it's so bad! (Waste of your talents imo).

But back to 3d, have you tried doing the grading without it going over the skies? I think that's where they become a bit difficult in that all the skies get a sepia tint to them. If you separate the sky from the rest then you can have nice warm grading of the building, grass, plants etc. and maintain a nice crisp blue sky. Would freshen them up a bit.

[glorybound]

Some more finals

[glorybound]

I did a quick color match in PS.

[glorybound]

I did another view. I pushed the color grading a little on this one. Now I think I have to go back to the others, so they match.

[glorybound]

The client will not see these, but I warmed them up a bit. This client will ask why there is a yellow cast to everything.

[glorybound]

These are the kinds of material samples I have been getting, which have not been much.

[glorybound]

OK, I fixed a few things. They will not like the brick, however, what they want just won't look correct.

[glorybound]

Yeah, the grout is suppose to stick out. They wanted white brick, even in the shadows, so I had to brighten it. They gave me a brick sample that doesn’t even show me one whole brick. The stucco, yes, it’s that dark.

[Morne]

Loving the DOF in these. The wall colours are a bit dark, but that's got nothing to do with you or the rendering.
If there's a next round, then brick could do with some work, maybe a normal map. In the shadows it looks like a flat texture, but in sun looks like there's a strong bump, although inverted, ie the grout is sticking out instead of the brick. The tree on the right isnt planted nicely and could do with moving down 1 or 2 inches (or just PS a grass patch there). The middle ground floor roof on the front, has some teething displacement artefacts.

But hey, that's just me, they look awesome in general!