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Soooo Maxer about your image.... Yep love it, very good.
Colin
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Guess we will all think twice before putting a label on the next wine bottle rendering!!
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Heheh, Lele, the US and Australia aren't just big corporate holdings, sure we have a few big ones. We have areas that are populated as diversely and densely as Italy.Is it me and my twisted sense of the new world that says that both australians AND people from the US are a VERY small population on a VERY big landmass?
Or that they built, and developed over the years, primarily as a MASSIVE SCALE industry?
100 kms in australia might just be ONE vineyard, for what i know.
In italy and france, probably three entirely different cultures could be crossed over.
Most of our good wines, both the Aussies' and ours, come from small "Boutique" Wineries. Comprised of a few acres. Some even press the wines by foot.Comment
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humm, well, where to start..... I know your wine, that's ok, I like them, taht's also ok.
I have visited the "new world" which I love, also well.
InFrance you have laws to plant vines, you must have some right to plant them, in général you win the right by your father or other familly, ok. This kind of law avoid mass production, well. Nobody could become a wine productor easier in france that's very very hard, and it's not a question of money, it's a question of tradition. All of this permite to the other to live (here I speak about money) do you unsderstand?
That's the difference between you and us IMHO=:-/
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Like, 60 million italians on a territory the size of NZ, inhabited from a few thousand years before christ, grown along the greeks and the mediterranean countries, surrounded by diverse populations that kept mixing and stirring our genepoll across the ages, has just the same cultural depth, socio-geographical diversity, and historic heritage as a 250 years old colony?Originally posted by RErender
It IS delusional
I speak for Italy, but the same goes for OLD europe, at large.
WE ARE the natives, you know, after all.
Your natives lived on the continent for tens of thousands of years, and have been all but wiped out in the space of a couple of hundred at most...
That was a comparable culture, but i gather it's pretty much lost.
You have incredible benefits, though, out of being a "new country": you're a LOT speedier facing change and adapting than old europe is, for the good and for the bad.
Do they now?Most of our good wines, both the Aussies' and ours, come from small "Boutique" Wineries. Comprised of a few acres. Some even press the wines by foot.
Next time you're around Italy, i'll show you a few unpretending places, which press wine in the same way from over 500 years.
The buildings haven't changed, the woodden mechanisms have undergone the due maintenance, but have parts that to the day they are probably a hundred years old.
And lo, they do NOT sell it.
They just drink it.
And not a few places.
Entire regions with millions of people living there, and passing on the tradition from father to son, something that has been done for dozens of generations.
They don't need to build a canteen, they inherit it.
It comes at a steep price, of course, with "official" unemployement, low schooling (comparatively, mind you) and a certain resistance to innovation, in the most traditional areas.
So, all in all, i would not make the "we're just AS in this or that" statement.
As in my eyes we are not.
It doesn't mean there's any "better", despite my most obvious attachment to the old continent's history and culture; it just means there are differences and points of contact across cultures, but each has their different long standing peculiarities and traditions, things at which they excel, and others at which they do less well, and ways of facing issues and change.
Therein lies the richness, once recognised...
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Man Maxer, I'm sorry your impressive image sparked... this.
I'm an American, and there're many things about my country that I don't like -- the belief that everything that is best in the world can be found within our borders being among the most onerous. But the ONE thing that I attribute to this country having that few others do, in fact most Europeans fight tooth and nail against, is cultural diversity. Hell, I'm sure we have Italian immigrant vintners working with hispanic day laborers out in Cali! Maybe diversity wasn't what you meant?
Bahh, I don't know. This whole debate has gotten a bit nuts. A couple people state preferences for American or Austrialian wine and suddenly I'm seeing my culture as a whole being slandered as shallow? Well, I suppose if you equate our culture with our television programs...
That's all I wanted to say. The fray may recommence. Good work in any case, Maxer.
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Lele, I re-read your post and I get what you're saying about regional diversity within one country. You're right, we don't have that. I was born and raised in New Hampshire, though I could pass myself off as a local San Franciscan without anyone being the wiser. But we have diversity in people. My boss is Austrian. Two of my coworkers next to me are Brazillian and British. That kind of diversity in the population allows for incredibly cross-pollination, and I love it.
I guess I have a hard time believing that a species as adaptable as the human race can be bred to make the best wine. But that's another debate.ShaunDonComment
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...thanks
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Indeed.Originally posted by ShaunDon
Given another couple of thoushands years of that, you'll end up as Europe, whereby the national labelling has no bearing, for some countries, with the genepools origins.
Italy for one, but most others too.
We have diversity in people as well, but so old rooted that parts of italy speak dialects (not accents, or slangs. Languages) which are a blend of spanish and morrocan, others something close to french, german and whatnot. Heritage of Thousands of years of mixing through war, osmosis and borders redesign.
I think the Romans were mixing with the Jews in palestine around year 0, or thereabout.
And with the germans, french, english, danish...
I was born in Milan by Italian parents (for what i can gather), and in London they'd alternatively take me for a Greek, a Turk, or a lighter Morrocan.
We all are this mixed up, really: the mediterranean sea is small indeed.
And this mixing has been going on for a fair while
London, Milan and Rome, Paris, Berlin and Amsterdam to name a few, though, are JUST as you were describing the US.
Power nodes which attract people from all over the world and help more stirring to happen.
Where there's honey, there's bees and bears
But there we go, i'll close it here.
I'll try upping my post as i usually do, nice and helpful.
Nice Image, btw, but could you fill up the wine bottle a bit more?
I'd like to have both the decanter AND the bottle full up, so there's more to drink
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Sorry to have to do this Lele, but you have earned yourself the title of the forums "Ranting Italian"
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i knew it!
you EVEN asked, i BEGGED you not to do it, and there i have it.
what a godless slimy hearthless b*%*&!!!
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*gasp*
You know me so well
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I sure do.
you are, after all, my favourite wine.
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