Is this that bad?

[nikulu]

Ok, I have to admit that my feelings got hurt today, and I want to see how my fellow vray users think about this particular rendering.

My client claims that this image does not meet their expectation. Is it really that bad?

Personally I think it turns out pretty well, but I could be wrong. Otherwise, why would the client say shite like that to put me down?

Please let me know what you honestly think about it. I can take it. Thank you~

[Joost Ink]

I would say it is not bad at all!
maybe a little noisy, but that might be the compression.
and a little to much bloom on the linings.

other that that I think it looks great.

But, I don't know what your client expected, that is always risky business in this ballgame.
Maybe he expected people/players etc. I don't know.

[tom182]

That certainly is NOT a bad image.
I would try to lower to burn of the white/yellowish areas. Sometimes clients look at something (like a building) and they dont like what they see, not due to the viz work but more likely due to the architecture/interior design/etc,. This is then conveyed to the viz guy and shouldnt be taken personally, you are just the messanger. Yeah there are a few things I'd change with the actual rendering but its still not a bad image. Can you get any natural light into the room, The miserable grey ceiling isnt doing you any favours either but thats the design,

Tom

[glorybound]

Client

Your client is crazy. It is really good image. Did they hire you based on your portfolio? If so they need to pay you for your work regardless if they like it or not.

[nikulu]

Thank you all for your comments. I know this image is very far from the best in the World, but it is certainly not the worst. And you guys have confirmed it.

With that being said, it leads to a conspiracy theory. Sometimes we just become others' escape goat at their convenience, since I was not at the meeting.

Please excuse me for not being able to go into the details, but people play political games everyday. I hope my fellow vray users don't get into situation like me.

Thanks for your words.

[stupendousman_dk]

Tone saturation down a bit and lower the bloom (not for my taste but to what i believe to have learned almost all my archviz clients like - or at least ends up with).
The Bball nets are a bit off, they are not that simple (http://www.towertennis.org/basketballnet.jpg) other that than it is really good and i would freak out if a client disliked a job done like that =)

[pailhead]

The clients are not always going for photo realism, you'd be surprised if you knew what criteria some clients use to judge an image. And yeah, they can be very cruel, dismissing an image as utter crap if a certain shade of color is different than what they envisioned, or if the image lacks a certain feeling that they were expecting and is impossible to achieve either because they don't explain it well or it's against all logic.

I had to show wall washers on a sun lit facade in broad daylight.

[alphacharliecho]

There has obviously been a lot of time go into this job. Don't you wish clients knew how to express their thoughts constructively?! The only comments I would make are: Maybe some darker shadows in the ceiling? Possibly tone down some of your lights, and reduce the noise if you are going for a realistic feel.

Nice image!

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[paulison]

i get this reaction a lot where the client gives me a hard time, but after they have added their input (usually something minor - like change some colour) they change their attitude. You just have to try not to be insulted and dont let them question your abilities as the result is you start changing things and trying to implement other peoples workflows to solve some non-existant problem. Stick to what you know and ignore stupid clients insults... unless it is something that can be taken and implemented in a constructive way.

they could also just be being difficult to avoid having to pay...who knows. I hope not tough

Nothing wrong with the image. Its a different style to what i usually do but it is nice overall. Maybe the lighting is a touch too even and some more variation in materials properties would help? some just look like flat textures where you may have expected some glossy reflections. It really isnt as bad as the client made out though....

[natty]

Yes we come across this as well ... but its normally the design that there client isnt happy with not your work! your work has maybe highlighted there poor design? .. Just talk to them with a cool head and dont take it personally, rectify what they want and get paid....

[pailhead]

Natty, are you spending a lot of time with eastern europeans?

[natty]

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[giraffe]

I agree with the rest.
Image does not look bad at all.
But mostly clients are unhappy with design of space but dont know how to express this.
99% of time , it happened to me that "I dont like this image" = I dont like the architectural design.
But first I thought that they didnt like MY image.

Another thing is that, some clients dont understand that color of buildings and paints look different under sun, shadow and shade.
When they want a white paint on building, and in shadow it gets grey, but under sun it is white. But they dont understand this and they never look around them to the real world how colors behave.
Or when they want a certain shade of grey, they just dont like to see lighter grey under sun.
SUch clients are really hard. They force you to make this and expect photo-realism from you.

[nikulu]

Thank you all~

Thank you all for your input. I really appreciate the advices.

I have found out that, like most of you have said, I am really just a messenger caught in a crossfire. Normally I don't take things like this so personally, but for some strange reason, this one just hits right in the spot. Ouch, the client's comment really got me yesterday.

[werticus]

Ask them 'how you can make it meet their expection' and perhaps offer them a few suggestions because often they dont know how to say it.

such as, too bright, too yellow, too noisy. etc. whatever else might be lacking.