Nvidia Titan

[jacksc02]

and how much will it be?
$5k?

[Dariusz Makowski (Dadal)]

I think you are right jacks. 5-6k... uhhh for that price you can get dual 8 core + 64gb rig etc etc. Its pointless to buy GPU for us uh

[jacksc02]

I can buy 4 i7 render nodes with 24gb ram for that price

[Alan Iglesias]

...and with only 200+ more Kepler cores than titan, performance increases in RT/GPU will be negligible.

RAM amounts are certainly coming up though...

-Alan

[ivaylo.ivanov]

It's 200 more cores + 6GB RAM, but 25W less power consuption. It's like a million $ Lamborghini, it's difficult to apply price/performance measures on such products . However they show some kind of trend, and after the relatively affordable 6GB Titan, hopefully we will see 12GB to become more mainstream. You can't expect mainstream 24GB video card to just appear . The point is, it seems we are getting there...

[Alan Iglesias]

... . The point is, it seems we are getting there...

Yes, agreed.

It's just that Siggraph was disappointing in a number of ways, some of which came from the fact that so little has changed or improved in the last year regarding GPU rendering's impact on the industry. nVidia still has a monopoly on GPU gear for RT/GPU (monopolies are never good for consumers). AMD still ignores us, and there is nothing notable on the horizson for some healthy competition. At least we do have something that works well and is relatively adffordable.

I'm still very optimistic for the future. GPU rendering will become more and more commonplace, and the market should adjust to that. It's just that it is taking a little longer than I expected...or maybe that was just hope...

Onward and upward,

-Alan

[Neilg]

and how much will it be?
$5k?

Haha. I never thought i'd see a 5k video card.

Safe to say it's pretty much just for CAD manufacturing data? I think these might be a bit overkill for RT...

[vlado]

...and with only 200+ more Kepler cores than titan, performance increases in RT/GPU will be negligible.

Actually, there is a noticeable performance increase. I don't know if it's just the cores, but the sample card that we got rendered the benchmark in 1m 40s compared to 2m 14s for the Titan.

Best regards,
Vlado

[Alan Iglesias]

Actually, there is a noticeable performance increase. I don't know if it's just the cores, but the sample card that we got rendered the benchmark in 1m 40s compared to 2m 14s for the Titan.

Now that's real good to hear, Vlado. When I asked them at the nVidia booth, they told me the cores would render at the same speed as the Titan, so that's where I got that information.

Of course I hope the rendering improvement at the Kepler core level (if that's what it is) makes it to the Gforce side. Or if it doesn't at least there will be some reason for the increased pricing. Probably not enough reason for most folks considering the likely very high price of this board, but at least Greg Estes seems to have made good his promise to me last year that core for core the Quadros would render faster than the Gforce.

As previously said, we're getting there...

Haha. I never thought i'd see a 5k video card.

Believe it or not, I remember the dual accelerator boards in an Intergraph quad Pentium II I once had many years ago were priced at over 10k$. And they didn't do a heck of a lot as I remember...

-Alan

[ivaylo.ivanov]

The 'special' thing about this card is probably that it's using the best GPU chips available. As you probably know 780/Titan/K6000 use exactly the same GPU. Chips do not end up physically the same however. Some are better, some are worse, some are totally useless. It depends on how developed the process is. This is why the hardware companies do often a second iteration on the same architecture with some small tweaks. We are in that period.

Better chips are used in high-end products. This is one part of the price. Maybe only 1% of the chips can have all cores working like in K6000. Of course they will be priced more. It's supply and demand . The other part of the price is the memory. All tasks require more GPU processing power. But they vary in the memory consumption. For games - 2-3GB are enough. So any card with more memory is considered that will be used for professional purpose. Which means it's in a different price category. It's not about the actual hardware differences, but about how the product can be used, and if you will be using it just for entertaining or to make money. This distinction is getting somewhat bigger and bigger. Only one aspect is that Intel and NVIDIA are left without much of competition in the high end. The other aspect (and probably bigger) is that the needs of most consumers are already met. Most of them are perfectly fine with a cheap laptop. Some of them will even need just a tablet. This means professionals are moved more and more in another category. Free meal is good, but I suspect the "good years" are behind us, and the last and greatest will not be a mass consumer product, but priced accordingly. Things move forward, but not getting easier .

[Alan Iglesias]

Interesting insight, Ivaylo - thanks.

-Alan

[eyepiz]

Actually, there is a noticeable performance increase. I don't know if it's just the cores, but the sample card that we got rendered the benchmark in 1m 40s compared to 2m 14s for the Titan.

Best regards,
Vlado

The Titan is right up there...maybe the the production K6000 will be more optimized.