Creative Control

[glorybound]

Ho. Lee. Phuq.



Quite simply..... You don't.

Yes, it was more of a rhetorical question. I think that if you hire a creative person you have to know that they will get bored if they are not allowed to create. My clients get robbed when they don’t let me try to create. I mean, I can move my camera and light for hours trying to find the perfect composition. When they say, “put the camera here”, and “put the sun here” I lose interesting.

I read that a good photographer will sit in the same place for hours waiting for the perfect light to come through the window. A technical photographer will walk in, snap a photo, and be done.

[rusteberg]

Things are making sense.

I would argue not a damn thing in this entire thread is making sense to you....

[flino2004]

Bobby, I wouldn't be that picky with the clients. If they are happy to give you money, then you should take it..... The market is always changing, moving to new or simpler stuff...if you have a lot work today does not mean you are going to have it tomorrow.
An agency is way more complicated... They have art director, creative directors, producers, directors, branding, artists, fx specialist, etc.... If you see a rendering of a living room or kitchen from them is completely different from what you produce.... A good example of one man show with all that sensibility and skills is Alex Roman.... His work was years ahead from all of us.

[glorybound]

I thought that I read Alex Roman actually worked a whole other career and he created his work as a hobby. I could be wrong, but his work is inspiring.

[flino2004]

https://youtu.be/stu2OdIvsBo
this video is more than 9 years old... Every single frame is artistic... It's amazing!!

[glorybound]

Yes, I remember this well. He is amazing! I wonder what happened to him. He has recently posted a couple of things on Twitter, but it has been years since he was active there before those. Facebook, too, has been many years. I read that he was an FX artist who didn't have work in that field, so he tried his hand in the Archviz world. I was mistaken about it being a hobby. Breathe of fresh air, his work!

[glorybound]

Bobby, I think you'd be surprised. There are people learning 3DS Max all the time, totally from scratch - and they have hope and dreams. I do too (for them) as there's always work out there. One guy I know, doesn't even use GI (doesn't even know what it is) and he gets tons of work (cos he is great at marketing)!.

I know another person, 59 years old, has a great job but too stressful, loves what I do and really wants to get into it, and is determined - starting from the very beginning...

Slapping on textures.... there's room in this great community for all sorts, all levels, it's not just for the world class types...

I remember a woman who I was a big fan of. Her work was soo good, and I found out that she was working on an old laptop. She, like Alex Roman, has to have such a passion for what they do. It takes an excellent eye for detail... both these people are long gone, and I wonder why. Maybe I need to separate work from play and create things I like and am happy with (by hand or digitally), letting my paid projects take on their own life, whatever that might be. My goal has always been to get fewer jobs, and the ones I do take are higher-paying. I was told to raise my rate until I have enough work to be happy, which I have done over the years. This would weed out the scrap work, I was told. Maybe Alex Roman and the women simply couldn't get paid enough for the work they created, for the time it took them to make it. They were not willing to compromise their craft, so they just walked away. I still remember something about Alex Roman working in a grocery store... they walked away from the art altogether?

[glorybound]

(cos he is great at marketing)

BINGO! How does Apple sell headphones that are not nearly as good as their competitors yet charge hundreds more? You have to create a persona and make people believe in the value you offer. I worked for an architectural firm that demanded much more for their services than their local competitors. They were charging 15%, and everyone else was scrapping to get 2-3%. How, persona! Why do contractors drive up in a Corvette? Well, they must be successful and profitable at what they do. No, they just figured it out. Why would you hire someone in a beat-up van? If you charge a lot, you must be the best at what you do, again, not necessarily true. People have this stuff figured out, and I am just trying to learn by asking questions. You buy a house designed and built by this company I worked for; you got a premium. All because of marketing.

Put me in touch with your friend, I would like to talk to him .

[glorybound]

When I hear creative agency in our space, I think of these guys, and a few others like DBOX.

https://neoscape.com/work/

I agree... a lot of moving parts in these agencies.

[rusteberg]

Your new nickname over here is Jerry Lundegaard.

[glorybound]

I am not sure what that means; I was born and raised in Chicago. I would think that could be a strong offensive for someone who is from Fargo or Brainerd. Please, stop embarrassing yourself with these replies.

[flino2004]

Bobby, now you can consider yourself an influencer because you have your first hater.

[glorybound]

Bobby, now you can consider yourself an influencer because you have your first hater.

Awesome, I have arrived. Giddy delight!

[matanov]

rusteberg please keep the good tone. Constructive arguing is one but this here leans to crossing the line.

[rusteberg]

understood....