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    Often, and I mean often, a client will want a change after the finals have been completed. The change might take a few minutes, but there are the render times and color grading. Even the slightest change might take at least an hour; do you charge? I have a client who directed cabinets to be blue, and now he wants them white. Sure, no problem, but it'll take a couple of hours, and here is my hourly rate! I have spent the last three days picking up this kind of thing on several projects, so that is a lot of lost revenue; it adds up. Render time is challenging because each of us has a different computer. I think of it as renting a render farm; I am renting them my computer time.

    What are your thoughts? This current project has me working all day on changes after the fact, and many are tweaking the design. My argument is their savings since changing these things in the field makes my fee inexpensive.

    Here is an example. In an earlier iteration, he wanted them blue, and after the finals were done and delivered, he wanted them white. It is simply drag and drop to change the color, an hour to render, and 15-20 minutes to color grade. The same project has perfectly matched materials from their photos, but their photos were poor. The proofs were approved, the finals were delivered, and they requested the changes. This was a rush job, to be done in about a week, and it is over a month later. I had emails on Thanksgiving morning requesting updates by the end of the day. I ignored the email, updated it the next day, and they had more comments three days later. They need it ASAP each time because it has to go to market. I said I would need to charge, and he said, "We paid good money for these, and we need them accurate!" (this was two extra iterations ago, and I ended up not charging them). I did the math, and they average less than $500 per image; again, I saw it as a quick in-and-out project.

    I sent him a quote for four hours of work for these latest requests (half my time today). I haven't heard back, but I expect a fuss.

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    Bobby Parker
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  • #2
    A simple one. Yes, charge, as it is work you have done at their request, rather than 'deeds' undertaken by the 'Bobby Parker Charitable Foundation for Property Developers'
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    • #3
      I never invoice anything until the customer says when and how much I'm allowed to invoice. The results of that approach can be seen on the topic, I updated yesterday.

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      • #4
        Simple answer: of course!

        You may choose to let it slide every now and then, but on the invoice I'd still put something like...

        Completion of CGI image £1000
        Amends £100
        One off discount -£100
        Total £1000

        And then explain why you charged for amends. Next time you can confidently charge for the amends.
        Dean Punchard > Head of CGI at HUB

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JuhaHo View Post
          I never invoice anything until the customer says when and how much I'm allowed to invoice. The results of that approach can be seen on the topic, I updated yesterday.
          You let the client dictate the price and payment terms?!?!

          Dean Punchard > Head of CGI at HUB

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JuhaHo View Post
            I never invoice anything until the customer says when and how much I'm allowed to invoice. The results of that approach can be seen on the topic, I updated yesterday.
            Yes, I always quote first.
            Bobby Parker
            www.bobby-parker.com
            e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
            phone: 2188206812

            My current hardware setup:
            • Ryzen 9 5900x CPU
            • 128gb Vengeance RGB Pro RAM
            • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 X2
            • ​Windows 11 Pro

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            • #7
              Originally posted by suzanne_doherty View Post
              Simple answer: of course!

              You may choose to let it slide every now and then, but on the invoice I'd still put something like...

              Completion of CGI image £1000
              Amends £100
              One off discount -£100
              Total £1000

              And then explain why you charged for amends. Next time you can confidently charge for the amends.
              I do this often. I'll bill and then forgive as a good gesture.
              Bobby Parker
              www.bobby-parker.com
              e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
              phone: 2188206812

              My current hardware setup:
              • Ryzen 9 5900x CPU
              • 128gb Vengeance RGB Pro RAM
              • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 X2
              • ​Windows 11 Pro

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              • #8
                When clients get the change order and its costs, they often decide not to make those changes. Something they might think takes minutes might take hours, and who should pay for it? Not me.
                Bobby Parker
                www.bobby-parker.com
                e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
                phone: 2188206812

                My current hardware setup:
                • Ryzen 9 5900x CPU
                • 128gb Vengeance RGB Pro RAM
                • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 X2
                • ​Windows 11 Pro

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by suzanne_doherty View Post

                  You let the client dictate the price and payment terms?!?!
                  Maybe I'm trying too hard to avoid conflict with the customer.

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                  • #10
                    You must take the time to review any proof I send, as this can help avoid any additional charges (which is in my email to all reviews). My hourly rate for extra work is clearly outlined in the contract, and any changes will be billed at double this rate. I read about this practice years ago and am now implementing it.
                    Bobby Parker
                    www.bobby-parker.com
                    e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
                    phone: 2188206812

                    My current hardware setup:
                    • Ryzen 9 5900x CPU
                    • 128gb Vengeance RGB Pro RAM
                    • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 X2
                    • ​Windows 11 Pro

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for the feedback. It is nice to get validation from my peers. This client ended up paying this morning without question.
                      Bobby Parker
                      www.bobby-parker.com
                      e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
                      phone: 2188206812

                      My current hardware setup:
                      • Ryzen 9 5900x CPU
                      • 128gb Vengeance RGB Pro RAM
                      • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 X2
                      • ​Windows 11 Pro

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                      • #12
                        Good, glad it worked out. Although there should never have been any doubt, imo
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JuhaHo View Post

                          Maybe I'm trying too hard to avoid conflict with the customer.
                          This really is an odd situation, if you are somehow feeling beholden to a customer for some reason, and I'd rather nobody feel like that.
                          You are not some indentured servant; they have come to you, asking for a service. You need to quote accurately and present an option.
                          They either like it, pay the bill, or you walk away.

                          It really is as simple as that. Conflict should never occur, other than having to deal with complaints, which in my experience rarely arise.
                          https://www.behance.net/bartgelin

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fixeighted View Post
                            Good, glad it worked out. Although there should never have been any doubt, imo
                            It doesn't always happen that way. I am working with another client who wants to spend hours on Zoom, moving books around on a shelf. I spent two hours with her yesterday and two more today. Today, she spent half an hour replacing pillows on a couch and then going back to the way I originally had it. Every time I send her an invoice, she complains about it being unfair. I guess she thinks me working for free is fair. I think from now on, I am going to give potential clients a mental health screening test .
                            Bobby Parker
                            www.bobby-parker.com
                            e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
                            phone: 2188206812

                            My current hardware setup:
                            • Ryzen 9 5900x CPU
                            • 128gb Vengeance RGB Pro RAM
                            • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 X2
                            • ​Windows 11 Pro

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                            • #15
                              I like to pad the estimate a little bit up front and then offer to throw in small things like this— within reason of course. Clients love to think they’re getting a deal or something extra. I prefer to under promise and over deliver. Has the added benefit of sometimes they don’t ask for more and you get to keep the padding (assuming you are bidding by the project, not by the hour, with would be dishonest to lie about the amount of time).

                              Of course sometimes the bid is pared down too much to begin with and then you just have to communicate right away about anything that is outside the original scope.

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