bad modeling

[glorybound]

OK, how are you guys handling getting very poorly modeled buildings from the architect? I mean, come on!

[tricky]

99% of the time, we re-model it, even if we don't price for it. It saves hassle when the raft of changes and updates come!

[flino2004]

if you charge per rendering of couse you have to modelled anyway...it's like working with sketches or 2d CAD files..their 3d model is a reference......it's better if you review the model with your client then you can explain to them what is wrong with it....one thing is a 3d model for construction documents like revit models that you don't have modelling every single piece because you can overlay 2D lines and a 3d model for visualization.
99% of the time is esier re-build it as Tricky said because you don't have to expend your time trying to figure out workflows or how bad they put the model together like "close enought" with gaps everywhere.....botton line " NO DISCOUNTS"

[glorybound]

No Discounts

That is the key...NO DISCOUNTS! I get, "well 1/3 of your job is gone"!

[pskdude]

modeling

Yes the same thing has been happening to me lately, especially when i get the OH WE modeled it in "BIM" so you dont have to model it, but i add fees for it for the renderings anyways i end up having to model it anyways. lol...I really dont understand how people are producing Construction Documents with those crappy models. "Sigh"

RG

[glorybound]

Bim

I am the Manager of Design and Construction Technology here and I'll tell you how. 2D lines... They turn off everything and draft over it. As long as it prints good they are happy. The mind set has not changed and until there is a paradigm shift we might as well go back to paper and pencil.

[plastic_]

Yes the same thing has been happening to me lately, especially when i get the OH WE modeled it in "BIM" so you dont have to model it, but i add fees for it for the renderings anyways i end up having to model it anyways. lol...I really dont understand how people are producing Construction Documents with those crappy models. "Sigh"

RG

it's funny because i know both sides, i used to work in architecture, drawing masterplans, etc.
the truth is, architects don't care how messed up the CAD files are, speed and flexibility is more important. there are so many changes and revisions that it's often impossible to maintain a clean file, and you wont get paid for a clean file.
when going into details the bad parts get fixed, often the contractors have to fix it, because it's their job.
in early stages of planning, when it's time for visualization, the plans are not going to be printed in a scale where errors would be noticeable, so it just doesn't matter if the polyline is closed or not, if the hatch has clean borders or not.

as someone doing visualisations, when someone shows me a conceptual archicad/autocad model i make it clear that i can't use the geometry data as a base for refining and rendering, only as a template.
i never had problems with architects not understanding the issue. after all they can't do it in-house for the reason that their software/workflow isn't suited for one-click rendering.

[glorybound]

Clean Up

It isn't any different than working with a bad MAX file. It is worth keeping your model clean so when changes do happen, and they will, you have it under control. You have to control the level of detail. Model as if you know it it's going to change.

[rmejia]

How are they poorly modeled? The elements aren't joined?

[glorybound]

poorly modeled

For the most part the buggest issue is double geometry, backward normals, and all the in placed families are on the generic category.

[flino2004]

you have to show them how bad their model is, then they can see that you have to do it again....if they don't realize that they will ask for discounts over and over.... clients respect consultants that say "NO" when you have to say it..."yes, sir" relationships in long term change that way that you control your company as well as your reputation in my opinion.
In my experience where I just to worked everytime we had meetings with clients, the principals said "yes" to everything and I said "NO" when i had to said it...in the end, the clients called me directly and they only wanted to deal with me.

[flino2004]

you have to show them how bad their model is, then they can see that you have to do it again....if they don't realize that they will ask for discounts over and over.... clients respect consultants that say "NO" when you have to say it..."yes, sir" relationships in long term change that way that you control your company as well as your reputation in my opinion.
In my experience where I just to worked everytime we had meetings with clients, the principals said "yes" to everything and I said "NO" when i had to said it...in the end, the clients called me directly and they only wanted to deal with me.

[tricky]

you have to show them how bad their model is, then they can see that you have to do it again....if they don't realize that they will ask for discounts over and over.... clients respect consultants that say "NO" when you have to say it..."yes, sir" relationships in long term change that way that you control your company as well as your reputation in my opinion.
In my experience where I just to worked everytime we had meetings with clients, the principals said "yes" to everything and I said "NO" when i had to said it...in the end, the clients called me directly and they only wanted to deal with me.

To an extent, I agree. But you have to moderate how you tell them their model is crap. Many clients take offence.

As ever, it is a balance between pissing off a client and not getting a job, or absorbing (or hiding!) some of the costs in order to get the commission.

That's just business and it isn't unique to ArchViz.

[Morne]

here in SA I've been working with architects and interior designers for about 13-14 years now. I must say the cad files from the interior designers are way better than from architects. Not always, but about 90% of the time. Architects design some good stuff here, but I don't know where they learn cad and sometimes I think they skipped the lesson about snap and ortho.