So long.. Creative Suite

[samuel_bubat]

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pres...otheCloud.html

[Neilg]

It looks like they're just moving to a subscription based service which includes free file storage. The software is still installed on your computer, you dont have to constantly update to the newest version, and if you disconect from the internet they'll still work for 180 days before you need to check in again.
All old version are still supported, this is just for new ones going forward.

It's just spreading the cost over a year and charging you monthly for it.

e: re-did my maths, if you upgrade every year you're better off, but if you like to skip a few versions you're worse off.

[instinct]

It looks like they're just moving to a subscription based service which includes free file storage. The software is still installed on your computer, you dont have to constantly update to the newest version, and if you disconect from the internet they'll still work for 180 days before you need to check in again.
All old version are still supported, this is just for new ones going forward.

It's just spreading the cost over a year and charging you monthly for it.

e: re-did my maths, if you upgrade every year you're better off, but if you like to skip a few versions you're worse off.

It is not just spreading the cost over a year. First of all you want to go yearly if you want to "save". Secondly you do not get a perpetual license anymore. That is quite a difference. What about a price increase. They might just choose to increase prices and you're even worse off than with AD. With AD you can at least continue to use your license. With CC you have to stop using if you do not want to pay higher prices or a bad release.

Regards,
Thorsten

[Morbid Angel]

With CC you have to stop using if you do not want to pay higher prices or a bad release.

Regards,
Thorsten

This is called Monopoly.

[Dariusz Makowski (Dadal)]

Huh... sort of happy they did it. Now there might be more companies that make PS clones that would compete on price point rather than performance. Hope more Gimp/etc/etc will emerge from this shit Adobe is doing. Maybe foundry will do some epic composting app.

[samuel_bubat]

The most funny thing. Two big German internet provider (Telekom and 1&1) just announced that they will reduce bandwith
of all it´s flatrates for people with a certain amount of traffic per month. It can be reduced down to 384kbit.
Of course you can pay extra to get your bandwith back. First everybody pushes you towards the "Cloud" wich implies
a pretty high amount of traffic.Than they just change their business model.. not sure if I should laugh or cry.

Regarding Adobe. I don´t really care to much about them anyway. I could go back like 5 Photoshop versions without missing something.
Any kind of color correction I do in Fusion anyway. But Autodesk is heading the same way. I fear this kind of business model is the future.
You don´t own anything anymore.. you just pay a license.

[trick]

I think people should really rethink what features they really use and how much time they really spend using the Adobe Tools. I have two suites for being able to use it on 4 machines which is quite rediculous. Especially since I use them as side-tools mostly. The idea of being on subscription model wihtout actually owning anything makes it even more rediculous. I also wonder what's the percentage of users that are using Adobe tools full time ?? Everything I do with Adobe tools now I could easily have done 10 years ago. So I think I will just wait 10 years before swithing to the cloud .... if I am not looking down from one by then ... and hoping there will be enough people having faith/stocks in Adobe by then

[glorybound]

I went to the Creative Cloud last month and they give you all the Adobe software titles. Now, if you use them all, it's a win for you. But, if all you use is Photoshop, it makes no sense. You still download, and install, like you did before. You get an application manager that shows you if updates are available.

[wxyz]

A sad day.

[Morne]

Hello Nuke, Mari, and Avid Composer?

[glorybound]

but, if all you need is Photoshop, it's $10 a month. Now, that's a good deal!

[instinct]

According to the homepage single apps are 19.99, in .de it's even quite a bit more as usual. 24.95€, that's around 32$.

But that is not my main issue with the move. I expect prices to rise once they consider the lock-in to be widespread enough. They even have an FAQ entry stating prices might go up (at any time for monthly payment, once a year for annual). I also hate the whole idea of not having the choice to stop paying and using what i paid for. I do not want to rent all software. It will turn out to be more expensive in the long run in my eyes.

Regards,
Thorsten

[alexyork]

but, if all you need is Photoshop, it's $10 a month. Now, that's a good deal!

It's a good deal if you only use it for 1 or 2 months a year and pay monthly. For the rest of us who use it every day and every month it's an absolutely terrible deal. Remember you will not own the software at any point so if you stop paying you can't use it and can't open your files! So now instead of paying around £500 for PS and around £190 per year for optional upgrades you will be paying thousands and thousands and thousands for it over your career with no choice at all but to continue to pay every month even if you choose not to upgrade. I can't find anything positive in this new situation.

[Neilg]

So now instead of paying around £500 for PS and around £190 per year for optional upgrades

Well, no. For the first year it's $120, then for the next years on it's $240. That's £150, so assuming adobe dicks you on the conversion, lets assume £190.

So it's exactly the same as before, expect you don't have to pay the £500, and the first year is half price.

[alexyork]

Well, no. For the first year it's $120, then for the next years on it's $240. That's £150, so assuming adobe dicks you on the conversion, lets assume £190.

So it's exactly the same as before, expect you don't have to pay the £500, and the first year is half price.

It's not the same at all though, because after a short while (just a couple of years) we will both have paid the same amount of money for the software except that I can then stop paying and continue to use it to work and to read my files, whereas you are now locked in and must pay yet another £190+ each year. And the price will surely increase. The path I am on now you could consider to be an investment. I own the software or at least the perpetual right to use it, without having to pay a penny more or to upgrade. You will be locked in for the rest of your career if you ever wish to open one of your legacy files or work with one from someone else.