Brazil Comparison

[jujubee]

I've been trying to convince a friend to purchase Vray instead of Brazil. His main problem is that Brazil is significantly more expensive than Vray and so it looks like he will go with Vray.

Beyond that, I can't speak to what Brazil is like. I was hoping some of you have used this and could tell me a little more about it. Does anyone have any other pros and cons about this renderer?

[Mark David]

jujube, just tell him this:

VRAY RULEZ !!!



Just kidding man, i don´t know, maybe some experienced users can tell us the main diferences.

Happy new year to you man.

marco

[dbuchhofer]

just tell him to email sales@splutterfish.com and ask for a demo.. and to grab the vray demo online... then he can contrast himself

basically from what i noticed is a tradeoff of speed/newfeatures/price/rendernodes vs compatibility/stablility/slow..

but to each his own.

[jujubee]

Happy New Year to you all too!

I showed him some of the links to images on this forum and he was very impressed. I think my buddy is sprinting for the Vray Basic version now - and will potentially upgrade once he learns the basics of that.

[travistlo]

hes going to end up paying more to purchase basic, and then upgrade, than if he just purchased advanced.

[Morbid Angel]

simply put:
brazil is an old engine, with slow aa, gi, and so on, it doesnt support true 3d motion blur and you need to license evenery network render node.
Vray is new engine constantly evolving with fast gi, fast aa, true 3d motion blur and quality is very close to brazil. That is if you know how to use it. Not to mention that brazil doesnt support multi triangular displacement, and vray does.
So here you go, we actually switched from brazil to vray before production and very very happy with everything.
Cheers

[percydaman]

simply put:
brazil is an old engine, with slow aa, gi, and so on, it doesnt support true 3d motion blur and you need to license evenery network render node.
Vray is new engine constantly evolving with fast gi, fast aa, true 3d motion blur and quality is very close to brazil. That is if you know how to use it. Not to mention that brazil doesnt support multi triangular displacement, and vray does.
So here you go, we actually switched from brazil to vray before production and very very happy with everything.
Cheers

I dont know that I would call brazil "old" I guess your other points are valid, at the moment. All those points will become moot when brazil 2.0 comes out. It will even have irradiance mapping. At least as far as I have been told.

edit: sorry for the horribly disjointed post. its a trainwreck I know...

[Morbid Angel]

true percy but there is a saying - dont count the money that you dont have...


when brazil comes out many things will change but when thats gonna happen no one knows.

[Dynedain]

but remember, vray basic users dont get access to the 1.4X betas

[tom schuelke]

Hmm,

i think brazil and vray are closer to each other as it seems for the first look.

in my feelin, and geddart and me did some testings, the main difference is, that brazil from its core is more configurated to produce stunning highendimmages right from the scratch. means, you can produce very impressive immages right from its standart configuration for the cost of high rendertimes.

surface of the programm at last seemd a bit more handy than vray right now., but

vray seems to be more configurated for the nearly as high quality , but much much faster , and now with the new betas still faster as fast for a bit less immage quality.

now !!! we tweeked vray to produce as detailed shadow qualities in vray as in brazil of course for the cost of rendertime. at last comparable quality took nearly the same time in vray as in brazil. on the other hand, brazil wasnt as easy to tweek to more speed as vray was.

and also, in the same time you get much more preview immages in vray, while in brazil you usualy still wait for the first render.

also we are not brazil pros, so a good brazil user maybe would tell us other things.

what i miss in brazil is a way for very very fast flickerfree gi solutions in scenes where only the camera is animated. this is a very big point to vray. but lets wait for the 2.0 . but you know lets see what vlado and peter did do untill then .

the faster vray aproach seems to melt away, when it comes to high animated senes, where only single frame animations are needed. here brazil comes close to vray i think because many of the optimazations of vray deal whith those "only camera animated" situations.

so the race still is interisting with a smal advantage to vray.

my opinion


Tom

[mike_kennedy]

I think calling Brazil old is a bit unfair.
Yes VRAY users have newer software, but it's called beta even if used in production by many or most....
if we went by the last none beta version of VRAY, it would be old too.....
they just lack the openess of the beta process Vray enjoy's......

[jujubee]

I do agree with Mike - user input accounts for alot and the Chaos group does take that into consideration. Besides, this forum rocks.