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  • Suggestion to remove Exposure slider from Display Correction

    Our customers have many questions like this
    "I changed the VFB exposure, but it is not reflected in the saved image"

    Customers with this question often control the brightness of their images with Display Correction's Exposure.
    They can't read (Display Only).

    Therefore, I think you should remove the Exposure slider from Display Correction (go to VFB settings) and create "Exposure" Layer by default.

    Many users can prevent exposure adjustment with The "Display Correction" section.

    Everyone What do you think?

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    Last edited by flat; 10-02-2023, 01:17 AM.

    OakCorp Japan - Yuji Yamauchi
    oakcorp.net
    v-ray.jp

  • #2
    Thanks for the feedback - we'll consider how we could improve this matter.
    Meanwhile can you share a little bit more information about your customers?
    What V-Ray integration they are using? What type of projects they are working on and etc?
    Svetlozar Draganov | Senior Manager 3D Support | contact us
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    • #3
      There is a reason for this. The Display Correction is an unique layer that is always available, even when the current render layer is not RGB. So for example if you have an extremely dark or bright render element - this is a very convenient way to explore the data.

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      If it was that easy, it would have already been done

      Peter Matanov
      Chaos

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      • #4
        Thank you for explaining why. Yes, it is necessary to check the elements.

        The Exposure parameter (for Display) seems to be an advanced function.
        The problem is that it is located in the most touchable place.

        In Corona Render, Exposure (value zero) is present by default in the top-right exposure adjustment parameter, which is the first thing you touch.
        It's easy to understand and very friendly. (It would be better if there was a slider controller).

        Conversely, there is no way to adjust Display Exposure in Corona VFB. (It is probably controlled by the gamma setting on the 3dsMax side.) This is because Corona users have not requested to adjust Display Exposure. So it is a very advanced feature.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by flat View Post
          The Exposure parameter (for Display) seems to be an advanced function.
          The problem is that it is located in the most touchable place.
          Corona is the odd one out, i'm afraid.
          Nuke, Houdini, Renderman, Arnold, all have easy-to-reach exposure sliders in the respective VFBs, as they are extensively used for quick shot forensics: is the noise low enough, is that dark/bright area defined enough for compositors to use it, and so on.
          It's highly unlikely we'll change this: it's there *because* it needs to be readily available.
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          Last edited by ^Lele^; 26-02-2023, 06:43 AM.
          Lele
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          • #6
            heh, presenting Corona as a good example here is a borderline criminal offence.
            There are things to improve within Display correction layer but not the very clearly named exposure slider.​
            Marcin Piotrowski
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            • #7
              Nuke, Houdini, Renderman are software for specialists. I understand.
              Arnold's Render View is also unfriendly to beginners.

              Simply put, it's hard for beginners to understand that View Exposure adjustments aren't saved by default. (especially beauty pass)

              It was a small suggestion. Thank you everyone for your responses.

              OakCorp Japan - Yuji Yamauchi
              oakcorp.net
              v-ray.jp

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              • #8
                Begginers, by definition, will have to learn.
                Knowing what a display correction is isn't detrimental at all, particularly as, by default, it doesn't affect final image output.
                Last edited by ^Lele^; 27-02-2023, 02:46 AM.
                Lele
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                • #9
                  I vote for adding exposure layer too.
                  I teach rendering and I have seen the same problem with many people adjusting the wrong exposure settings and then ask me why the render is so different after saving.
                  Some of these people have been using 3ds max for years, coming from other renderer.
                  It is always better keeping things easier and more clear for the beginners than expecting them to read the manual before clicking.
                  Just my 2 cents.
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                  • #10
                    There is no need to read the manual at all.
                    If anything, this, along with a gamma slider, ought to be moved on top of the VFB, a-la nuke, for easier access to the two key forensic tools.

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                    Lele
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                    emanuele.lecchi@chaos.com

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                    • #11
                      Please also consider that there are many people who are not native English speakers.


                      OakCorp Japan - Yuji Yamauchi
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