younglim, before I got distracted I was going to point you to Richard's post here http://www.chaoticdimension.com/foru...lections+black his method is to render full reflection on the object while applying a matte wrapper to everything else, I used this method and it works great can create a lot of passes though. I like Egz method the most 
P.S. Me and Natty have since talked , I think we can balance the "war against warez users" and "defending the innocent" in the future

P.S. Me and Natty have since talked , I think we can balance the "war against warez users" and "defending the innocent" in the future

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