Vantage vs. Enscape

[harald_martinoff]

Hi

I have seen some questions about the differences between Enscape (visualization from CAD) and Vantage (quick "realtime" Vray solution for GPU render or something) from 2023. It is not that I don't see that there is a difference policy and idea to when it comes to what the two softwares are suppose to target as their main field of operation, but reading now (When Enscape 4.1 came out) the Vantage VS. Enscape (https://support.chaos.com/hc/en-us/a...Ray-or-Vantage) I don't really get why there is two softwares that close in features and what to target, beside the export to VR and Standalone executables from Enscape.
Maybe I missed out on something, but in a year or so we will loose our Vantage license (Was part of a deal made before the split), and working in 3DsMax, visualization of industry, product and offshore scenes what will be the best way forward for us? Vantage or Enscape? Any thoughts on this?

Br

[glorybound]

Isn't Vanatge targeted towards Revit users and Vantage towards MAX users? Also, doesn't Enscape work on the MAC?

[Luma3d]

Enscape was initially a plugin for revit, sketchUp, and rhino users who didn't know how to use Vray, 3ds max, or did know Vray, but wanted a faster renderer that could create visuals similar to vray output, but in less time. Plus have a VR component. Vantage was created for 3ds max, c4d, and Maya users who are in the arch vis, vfx etc industry who don't use cad apps like Revit to model, bit wanted a standalone, fast renderer that allowed them to do something similar to Enscape. Create vray quality output faster. It also opens the door to generating faster animations than before. Two different industries creating similar output while using different apps.

[harald_martinoff]

Thanks for the answers, but I still feel that it should be easier to just pack these two into one !

[fco3d]

So Enscape was bought by Chaos Group around the same time they already were working on Vantage. Not to hurt someone's feelings, but in my opinion, Vantage was Chaos Group answer to the giant competition of Lumion, Twinmotion, Unreal, and Enscape, which swiped the AEC industry. I have been long enough in this profession to see how software comes and goes and what the trend is. But lately, it is getting crazier.
Having said this, you also need to accept that each industry works in very different ways. For instance, Epic's Unreal promised so much for Arch Viz, but it's been very long since it was fully adopted. Arch Viz doesn't do video games (average production time one year). Sometimes, we have to output something in Hours.
Enscape is a solution that can address these challenges. However, if you require more intricate geometry or the handling of millions of polygons, software like 3D Max, Cinema 4D, or Maya are necessary. In such cases, V-Ray is a suitable choice. But if your competition is using Lumion to produce a variety of outputs, including images, animations, and real-time walkthroughs or VR experiences, V-Ray may need help to keep up. This is where Vantage comes in.

[Luma3d]

Yep... basically Enscape was taking too much of the arch vis market share from vray because it is fast to render stills and animations and has the VR component. It was getting so good that 3ds max users were asking for a version that worked with 3ds. So what does a company do when the threat is real? They buy them out. Don't get me wrong. I love Vantage and it has become my daily rendering tool for my projects. Animation speeds are still too slow, but faster than the production bucket renderer.