Information on V-Ray 2.0

[jujubee]

Of course you're entitled to an opinion, but I wouldn't go around bashing those that actually did make the VrayRT purchase on their own a year ago that haven't been able to use it. Im just saying that I don't think that's fair to judge those that have made that purchase and are complaining about it now. At least try putting yourself in someone elses shoes for a moment, and maybe it wouldn't seem "fine."

Imagine if you bought Puppydog version 1 today at full price. The very next day, Puppydog version 2 comes out as a shock but you have to pay full price for the upgrade. That's kind of what it feels like. On the other hand, if you never bought Puppydog version 1 to begin with, why would you even care? Of course you probably wouldn't - it's not your loss. Besides, Let's not forget that Puppydog version .5 was awesome so everyone should stop complaining.

"Out of your own pocket" means that you paid for it yourself with your own hard earned cash - not an employer. It's irrelevant if it's for private use or work.

I wouldn't be complaining if I could have actually used it. And a bunch of us did bring this up a number of times well over a year ago. I'm sure the upgrade will be amazing on it's own and I would be willing to purchase that, but I wish the main problem some of us ran into would have resolved long ago.

Imagine if you bought Vray and found out a week later that you couldn't use it for a whole year because it turned out to be not properly supported. A newer release will probably address it, but you have to pay the full price again. I'm trying to make an analogy here.

I guess the lesson ive learned is to not be an early adopter even though you're enticed with all these shiny new sales deals/bargains, and you thought you might be benefiting others.

[instinct]

Huh ? So not having purchased RT "out of my own pocket" doesnt entitle me to an opinion ? Define "out of your own pocket"...for private use ? Or for work ? And beeing fine with the pricing scheme on my end is not fanboying or coming down on you...it's an opinion.

[jujubee]

I have no issues supporting them and Ive been an advocate for Chaos charging more in the past. I'm not knocking their work. They're great guys and I'm happy to take them out on the town. That being said... I respectfully disagree with some of the structure.

The main issue for me is that I thought after purchasing VrayRT a year ago, that I would eventually be able use it which still hasn't happened. Now, some of us who made that purchase is in a sense getting charged almost double again. If I knew RT was getting phased out (which it appears that will eventually happen), as said before, I wouldn't have made that purchase.

Some of you can get all fanboy on me, but I'm just being honest here. You can come down on me all you want for speaking my mind, but unless you purchased RT out of your own pocket (not employers - your opinion doesn't count then) as a form of prior support to Chaos (which is one reason why I made that purchase to begin with) then I don't think it's right to speak for those that have.

[m_hinks]

Amen Rob! I can only agree there.

Same here.

[instinct]

Amen Rob! I can only agree there.

[throb]

If you are satisfied with it, and used it successfully, why would this leave a bad taste?

Best regards,
Vlado

EXACTLY. VRay has SAVED me more money/time than I have spent on it. Ok, so personally I have not spent money but I have worked for several companies (I can think of 4) that got VRay because of me and spent their money on it. What did they pay for? A product that improves work quality and ideally efficiency. Value for dollar is key. If you don't feel that you get your money's worth from a product, don't buy it or don't spend the money to upgrade. Hell, every time I see Peter and Vlado, I buy them beers or dinner. Why? Their tireless support allows me to to better and better work every time I use a new version with a new revision.

Running a company like Chaos is not cheap. Not even close to it. Let's say they have 25 developers on staff. Each person makes...what...75k/year? That's $1.87mil/year spent on developer salaries alone. That doesn't include all the other salaries (support, receptionist, marketing, training, janitor, etc) and additional resources needed like this forum, web space, office rental, power, machines, etc, etc.
It's a damned long list and I haven't covered everything.

When it comes down to it, our company will evaluate the 2.0 release and if we find value in it (and I already can see a massive savings) we will purchase and implement it. I suggest all of you do the same. Your money is hard earned...spend it wisely.

rob

[PIXELBOX_SRO]

we also bought RT, but havent really managed to make it usable in our workflow....but i will not complain about this cos i take the money spent on it as a support fee for CHAOS for all the updates for free over the years

sure

in this economy its pain to spent every euro youve got but....come on....look at the money most of you guys spent on Autodesk subscription over the years!!!

i am not BROWN-NOSING but i respect CHAOSGROUP pricing policy given the fact that 2.0 will arrive with RT and RT GPU

BTW

here in Europe, we have to pay double the money for 3DS MAX then in US!!! How fair is that!

[tricky]

I totally agree.
We, like many others, bought 2 licenses when rt came out. We have tested it few times, but it wasnt working for us.
Now everybody who updates to 2.0 get it free and gpu version also. For me it just doesnt feel right.

-LarsSon

Wasn't there a demo/beta to test before jumping in to purchase RT? We rarely/never buy software without first testing it to see if it works for us.

[dlparisi]

FYI: You can buy a new license of RT (1.5) right now for $299 from Trinity3D. The price of an upgrade to 2.0 is $510 (USD) if bought before Aug. 1 or $190 (USD) or a difference of $320. So anyone who is outside of the August 1st deadline should go buy a brand new license to "save" $21 on the total upgrade cost. That just does not seem right.

[vlado]

I agree with the general sentiment from the thread above. I'm a very satisfied VRay and RT user and I will certainly upgrade, but the pricing policy announced today leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Makes me feel like a fool for buying into RT early.

If you are satisfied with it, and used it successfully, why would this leave a bad taste?

Best regards,
Vlado

[vlado]

Vlado, you will be surprised if you had a survey to see how many people belive that RT changed and improved their workflow....in my opinion RT just started to be a useful in SP2, before that was an unfinished tool like in beta stage.

This does not invalidate the efforts we put into it... two years are two year, however we look at it.

Best regards,
Vlado

[smyszko]

I agree with the general sentiment from the thread above. I'm a very satisfied VRay and RT user and I will certainly upgrade, but the pricing policy announced today leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Makes me feel like a fool for buying into RT early.

[flino2004]

I think, nobody here has any doubt about the excellent support from Vlado...The point is far for discussing if we paid $200...in the end, we are showing that we are not happy at all...Chaos can take it or not of course....how knows, maybe in few months Phoenix will be part of vray as well and I would be hit twice.

Fernando

[LarsSonparsson]

I'm so glad I never purchased vray RT. Chaos you guys really need to throw those guys a bone. vray RT had alot of little issues/limitations that frankly kept it from being production ready. Your welcome to disagree.

I totally agree.
We, like many others, bought 2 licenses when rt came out. We have tested it few times, but it wasnt working for us.
Now everybody who updates to 2.0 get it free and gpu version also. For me it just doesnt feel right.

-LarsSon

[simmsimaging]

I think it's perhaps important to recognize that Chaos group runs a business, and that "fair" is not really the driving factor for these things. Chaos has, by comparison with other render companies out there, perhaps the best support going and offer and excellent product for the price. You can't ask for more "fair" than the support you get from Vlado directly, at all hours, and all days. If you bought into RT and were not able to use it to the nth degree for *your* workflow, well - that's kinda how it goes sometimes. There is no guarantee that any software will fit that bill. I'd love to have even 1/2 the money back that I have spent on software that I can't use fully, or as fully as I had hoped when I bought it - but that is on *me* because no one held a gun to my head and said buy it.

RT does not do everything I would like it to do, and I wish it was more fully developed too, but there is certainly no reason why you could not have used RT to serious advantage over that time. It was only $200 - be reasonable.

If you just bought it, versus a year ago, well that kinda sucks, but that is also how it goes sometimes. In the end, you don't have to buy the upgrade if you don't want.

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