Why do you use V-Ray and/or Corona?

[danio]

That'd be way too flattering.
I thank you for spotting my attempts at straightness, and i understand i can be (or perceived as, which is tantamount to the same thing.) abrasive at times, but beyond that, it's really not an occupation of mine to give a hard time to anyone.
Back on topic now, please!

Ohhh, sticky it!

Although in all seriousness, if you see the value of the official forum as one of the reasons why you gravitate towards one renderer or the other then I think it is on topic, actually. 'Why do you use VRay and/or Corona' might come down to ability to reliably get helpful (non-abrasive) support on the forum. Not saying that this tangent of conversation should continue, but I don't think these opinions should be discounted with an 'off topic!' either.

[^Lele^]

Indeed, the Chaos forums are nigh legendary, i meant "on topic" as in away from me, and towards everyone else which makes this place so positive. :P

[Muhammed_Hamed]

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[Jiri.Matys]

One last thing about forum.

Here I found one problem with only one reply from Martin Minev - https://forums.chaosgroup.com/forum/...-disappear-bug He admits its a bug. But after that no reply or anything. No one said we are working on it or anything. Problem was with VRayLight, so I think its pretty important.

Second one I found on email was thread with ticket 128-245-600. It was still on Next Beta forums, so I cant access that now. Its ok, I understand that. But no one let me know if its fixed or how the progress going or what.

And third one here: https://forums.chaosgroup.com/forum/...y-multisub-tex

I don't blame anyone or anything. It's just things, why I stopped use forum so much like I was used to.

[matanov]

All 3 things are logged. The MultiSub request is planned for the next major version, the one with the displacement is in progress and I will bump up the caustics one.

[Jiri.Matys]

Ok, but I don't have answer for a year or so. This is not good, it's really long time. Even for fix some of that, don't mention about replying, so I dont know how is it going.

[Vizioen]

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of cry babies. I've requested or reported some stuff too, didn't always got an answer. Go on with your life and find a different solution. Chaos is one of the software companies that I know of, that listen a lot to user input and suggestions (luckily, that's part of their succes). I'd rather have them fixing stuff and implementing new things than going around burning their cash hiring employees to try and answer every thread and ticket. I take it you're still using 3Ds Max? How's it going trying to get stuff fixed there? I rest my case.

[danio]

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of cry babies. I've requested or reported some stuff too, didn't always got an answer. Go on with your life and find a different solution. Chaos is one of the software companies that I know of, that listen a lot to user input and suggestions (luckily, that's part of their succes). I'd rather have them fixing stuff and implementing new things than going around burning their cash hiring employees to try and answer every thread and ticket. I take it you're still using 3Ds Max? How's it going trying to get stuff fixed there? I rest my case.

'At least it's not as bad as Autodesk.' Sweet.

Proceeds to beat a dead horse: I genuinely think a roadmap and a (public) bug tracker would ease a lot of these frustrations and leave users feeling less in the dark. You'd also see fewer redundant forum posts about 'when is this feature coming?' which would be a nice perk for CG. I bet you'd actually SAVE employee time because you wouldn't be answering emails and posts asking the same questions again and again.

Even if it's frustrating to see your favorite feature get pushed to a later stage on the Corona roadmap, at least you know and can gameplan around it if it's an important feature for your workflow.

Not a complaint, I know you all are working super hard. Just a suggestion\comparison between the two softwares since that's what this thread is about. I, personally, would be so stoked if you had a Trello roadmap for Next...*gets shivers*

[MANUEL_MOUSIOL]

I dont want to yet another person who derails this thead from its original purpose, but just wanted to mention Chaos also has a phone number. They helped me a few times via phone when it was urgent. Really much appreciated!

[Jiri.Matys]

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of cry babies. I've requested or reported some stuff too, didn't always got an answer. Go on with your life and find a different solution. Chaos is one of the software companies that I know of, that listen a lot to user input and suggestions (luckily, that's part of their succes). I'd rather have them fixing stuff and implementing new things than going around burning their cash hiring employees to try and answer every thread and ticket. I take it you're still using 3Ds Max? How's it going trying to get stuff fixed there? I rest my case.

I think this was not necessary! I found a different solutions of course and i dont care if I get answer every time. I just said what can be better. But I dont think I need to explain how I mean it, someone alsays understand it wrong to say something stupid, right?

[vlado]

I think the thread is quickly diverging into different branches, which is not bad, but if we can keep it on topic it will be helpful

Best regards,
Vlado

[1=2]

Corona and Vray Next Archviz user here.

Have used Vray Next Adv mode in 90% of the time, so observations are confined mostly to CPU rendering:

Pros of Corona

Out of the box - bit faster
Easier to Setup
LightMix
Probably Caustics, but have not had time to play with
IR is also bit faster to start, when one has to play with something quickly - maybe due to the option to Force Path Trace
Edge tex is better

Cons

RAaaam Optimization - never enough
Displacement - no options for any 2D displacement and overall Vray displacement is superior
Some third party plugins do not support Corona very well - for instance Railclone
Parsing - longer than with Vray
For some reason if becomes slower with each new version
Hdri use is somehow crippled - lacks something similar to VrayHdri
Some interiors render super slow

Pros of Vray

Tons of options, depending on the case
GPU support, as well as the hubrid mode - gives a chance to revive old generation i7 by adding 2-3 RTXs and still have a beast
Aerial perspective
Shaders support more options to export - for instance glass has the option to affect materials of objects behind. Distance texture shader is gives more predictable results.
Even in CPU is amazingly fast, even without turning on the new VrayDome light option to speed up

Cons of Vray

Interactive Rendering is not so intuitive to use - maybe it is the button
For some reason have the impression that Corona still gives bit more realistic results regardless interior or exterior - more refined shadows and reflections for instance
Vray Clipper have always produced some tiny artefacts - since Vray 2, so I ended up avoiding it

There could be more Pros and Cons of each engine, but I am using them in fairly similar kind of projects and do not have much time to experiment in depth with all the latest features.

[Paul Oblomov]

corona
- no maya version
- not that vfx friendly
- would be great to have sa version one day

+ used to me visually faster
+ i thought hd cache was a lil bit easier to tweak
+ denoiser looks like altus with no ringing artifacts

vray
- i rly want raylengh
- adaptive domelight sometimes makes picture weirdly ringy(if someone remember that artifacts like small circles all around, tho, it was for a quite exotic setups i never thought would work at all)
- out of core for gpu

+ i just used to it and now using rs as a main render at work - boy, i miss vray so much, so that when out of core is working gonna move to vr gpu
+ vlado and lele

[M.Max]

Okay here is my personal list (mostly Archviz and small TV idents )
I will just mention the pros for each of them as the cons will probably be pros form the other.

VRay:
-Speed : ))
-support GPU
-Very wide range of features and control for every bit of the renderer so you can fake and tweak as much as you want . the other young renderers (Corona , fstorm ..etc) usually refuse to add these things by saying "it is not physical accurate!" which is for me not an excuse .
-IPR especially in exteriors in the last 2 updates , it is just awesome !
-Vray object properties to apply changes on several objects.
-Support team here and via emails ..sometimes I open Vlado forum profile and check his comments ..Man I can swear there are at least 5 copies of Vlado answering questions ! xD
-low memory consumption
-Biased GI solution
-Forests pack and Rail clone great compatibility especially with IPR

Corona:
-Frame buffer features (Light mixer-RGB curve correction )
-Translucency and SSS shaders are simpler to control (less settings but usually it's good enough)
-Material preview in ME (now with ipr and debug shading it is not so important for me )

[werticus]

The main reason we went with vray 'back in the day' was because of the forums and the support / community that is available to help solve problems. Since then there has been no compelling reason to change - although the light mixer thingy in corona was making it very temping... but i'm expecting that to come to vray soon? :P