Phoenix Render elements for fire and smoke

[cam.crichton]

I used Phoenix for about 12 months a few years ago (when it first came out) it maybe be my funky memory but I was sure there were smoke and fire render elements.

I cannot see them in the render element list - were they ever there? Can we get them in there somehow cos it's very lacking not to have render elements to be able to separate them in comp.

[hermit.crab]

There aren't such elements, however, you can extract fire and smoke information in a separate element via the VRayAtmoshpere (Fire and Smoke) and VRaySelfIllumination (Fire) elements. Additionally, changing the simulation's Rendering mode to 'Volumetric geometry' would allow you to create a matte, which can be used for masking purposes.

EDIT:
Linking your duplicate forum thread from the PhoenixFD section for clarity sake: https://forums.chaosgroup.com/forum/...fire-and-smoke