Maxwell and Vray / huh?

[CarlosBZ]

At one point the tool defines what the artist can achieve...

is different what a man with a stone can do versus what a man with a hammer achieves. Of course intelligence is in between, no hammer can help without brains.

Vray and Maxwell both have different approaches to what a "rendering job" is and all implications surrounding that matter.

IMHO

PD: I'm not comparing neither Vray with a stone nor Maxwell... just for the analogie by itself.

[leotchest]

This is all pointless really, because with a little cunning, you can easily reproduce Maxwell's superb quality of rendering from within Vray. Simply follow these steps:-
1. remove your current cpu from motherboard and replace with a nice i386 running at 33Mhz
2. Take out all 4 of your 1Gb memory sticks and replace them with a couple of 4Mb sticks
3. Pour some porridge over your harddrive (we dont want it spinning too fast)
4. Book your plane tickets to Hawaii, then hit "Render"
5. Go on holiday for 2 weeks
6. Hey Presto - by the time you get back your teapot will be beautifully rendered.

There is only one problem since Vray will have made a nice 'clean' render. DONT WORRY ! We can fix this. Open up Photoshop, go to Filters, select "Add Noise" (personally I prefer about 12%, Uniform & Monochromatic for best Maxwell effect).

Thats it ! your done. easy.

[jacksc02]

well written leo!

[DaForce]

hahahaha nice zing to maxwell

[RePlay]

Haha good one Leo..

Just on the topic of photorealistic renderers... has anyone tried this?

http://fryrender.com/

Whilst I dont see any competition for Vray, I am interested in their "real time" export. This sounds like the equivalent of GI + baking into a 3d engine.

Sounds pretty good, and I can only imagine something similar for vray.

Remember guys that the whole selling point of maxwell "used to be" 1 button render. Mental Ray has tried doing this with its latest release.

The arch firm I worked for had a dozen machines in the renderfarm doing just about nothing for weeks on end sometimes.. so maxwell would have been a good "fire and forget" solution, if it wasnt for the problems and terrible support... not to mention ridiculous cpu licensing.

Even Fryrender gives you 10 nodes...

Anyway.. I hope none of you regretted purchasing Maxwell, Zuliban for instance claimed it was ideal for him in the early beta stages.. so Im sure someone made some money from a maxwell project... even if it took 3 days for a render... for which you could have an excuse to take that much needed holiday from all those nagging architects

[Morbid Angel]

Haha good one Leo..

Just on the topic of photorealistic renderers... has anyone tried this?

http://fryrender.com/

Whilst I dont see any competition for Vray, I am interested in their "real time" export. This sounds like the equivalent of GI + baking into a 3d engine.

Sounds pretty good, and I can only imagine something similar for vray.

Remember guys that the whole selling point of maxwell "used to be" 1 button render. Mental Ray has tried doing this with its latest release.

The arch firm I worked for had a dozen machines in the renderfarm doing just about nothing for weeks on end sometimes.. so maxwell would have been a good "fire and forget" solution, if it wasnt for the problems and terrible support... not to mention ridiculous cpu licensing.

Even Fryrender gives you 10 nodes...

Anyway.. I hope none of you regretted purchasing Maxwell, Zuliban for instance claimed it was ideal for him in the early beta stages.. so Im sure someone made some money from a maxwell project... even if it took 3 days for a render... for which you could have an excuse to take that much needed holiday from all those nagging architects

you should read here
http://www.chaosgroup.com/forum/phpB...ic.php?t=16498

[RePlay]

Thanks I must have missed it...

[vlado]

Remember, its not the tool its the artist who uses it...

It seems that more often than not, it is the job getting done that actually matters

Best regards,
Vlado

[percydaman]

Remember, its not the tool its the artist who uses it...

It seems that more often than not, it is the job getting done that actually matters

Best regards,
Vlado

LOL

[flino2004]

IMO Maxwell is a great engine (in concept)...I haven't used in a while because I'm waiting for the real final version but I think, comparing Maxwell with Vray is not right because they use different technology ...It'd be fear to compare with fR, Brazil or MR.
Vray 1.5 took some features from Maxwell (physical Sky and Sun, Materials with multilayer, PPT & the new Vraycamera)....probably they weren't in the Chaos plans before Maxwell.

[Morbid Angel]

well this is not so. Yes maxwell was first to intergrate physical sky. But the algorythms have already been published long before any of these renderers even existed. So to say that one renderer took something from another, is not correct.

[flino2004]

well this is not so. Yes maxwell was first to intergrate physical sky. But the algorythms have already been published long before any of these renderers even existed. So to say that one renderer took something from another, is not correct.

after Maxwell started to use them Vray and fR also incluided those features
if we have vray 1.5 as it is righn now is because Maxwell exposed them first.

[Morbid Angel]

indeed. and I agree that maxwell was the first one to implement them.

[studioDIM]

a plugin that creates Preetham skies in hdrshop was available from fall 2004.
Siggy papers from as early as 1999.
That said, i agree with you all: maxwell was the first to bring it to the wide public.

Lele

[vlado]

Vray 1.5 took some features from Maxwell (physical Sky and Sun, Materials with multilayer, PPT & the new Vraycamera)....probably they weren't in the Chaos plans before Maxwell.

It is really more because users wanted them implemented in V-Ray. Further on, while some of these (e.g. sun/sky) were made available to the wide public initially through the Maxwell renderer, other things, like the blend/multilayer material system for V-Ray were in development long before Maxwell even appeared as an alpha version and were planned from long ago. Yet others (like the ppt mode for the light cache) have also been partially implemented before Maxwell time - remember that V-Ray already had its light cache before Maxwell appeared, and from the light cache to ppt is just one simple step since the general framework had already been done (not to mention that F-Prime for lightwave already had a very similar concept at that time).

With that said, like with any other area of production (and life, in general), it is natural that competing products take features from one another - e.g. V-Ray features were also copied by other competing products (and we don't make a fuss of it since there is no point in that)... so the race goes on and on all the time

Best regards,
Vlado