The breathtaking future of automotive visualisation

[ali_cgi]

What do the car guys think of this?
Will the car work die out as the manufacturers do everything in house with vast amounts of power?
To me its quite scary! Would be great to know what others are thinking.

http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/cla...2164#chapter=0

Cheers
Ali

[Companioncube]

similar problem for arch vis

[FSGFX]

Audi did some VR demos at CES with a modified Unreal Engine. Great images in realtime of 7 mio poly Cars.

[kosso_olli]

I highly doubt that all of this is f***ing Vred. The Mission-E shown in the video was done by the guys over at Mackevision, and they have been using Vray for years: http://www.mackevision.com/de/refere...che-mission-e/

Also, it may be true that Porsche AG tries to get everything done inside Vred because it is heavily pushed by Autodesk in the automotive sector. The clients responsible for the image creation (companies like Recom, The Scope etc) get a Vred Dataset, but then tend to use their own workflow. To this day, I have never seen an image in a catalogue or a magazine, that was done by a car company itself. The reason is simple: The guys at the car companies are technicians, and you can see that in every image or movie they produce on their own.They are totally boring, as you can see in that demo video posted by Ali. There is always a lot of artistry and postproduction involved to make these images exciting. Thats what guys like us are for!

[kosso_olli]

Audi did some VR demos at CES with a modified Unreal Engine. Great images in realtime of 7 mio poly Cars.

Can I find this somewhere?

[ali_cgi]

Some good points on here, what about this video from Recom for Autodesk?

http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/cla...43-p#chapter=6

They claim everything in this was done in Vred, is this true or just a Vred sales pitch?
I can't see the point of rendering environments in vred at all and I'm sure i have seen posts about the use of v-ray in some of these projects,
If any Recom guys post on here it would be great to know from an artists perspective what tools were used and why? And how much of this was for Autodesk's sales.
I'm not trying to annoy anybody or anything, but would be good to get a debate going on this kind of thing

Thanks Ali

[FSGFX]

http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/10/a...-configurator/

[Wilyman]

Also, it may be true that Porsche AG tries to get everything done inside Vred because it is heavily pushed by Autodesk in the automotive sector. The clients responsible for the image creation (companies like Recom, The Scope etc) get a Vred Dataset, but then tend to use their own workflow. To this day, I have never seen an image in a catalogue or a magazine, that was done by a car company itself. The reason is simple: The guys at the car companies are technicians, and you can see that in every image or movie they produce on their own.They are totally boring, as you can see in that demo video posted by Ali. There is always a lot of artistry and postproduction involved to make these images exciting. Thats what guys like us are for!

Just to expand on this, the video refers to the images that Porsche are creating for press releases and PR, of which I think some are done in-house, and some are done by the likes of Staud Studios, and they are largely done in VRed. You can tell the PR shots from Porsche because the licence plate usually starts with "S GO".
The shots that Porsche use in their catalogues and ads are commissioned by an ad agency, and as Olli says, are done in whatever software the supplier chooses to do them in.
I can tell you for a fact that the location shots in the 911, Macan & Cayenne catalogues, along with the upcoming Boxster and Cayman, were all done in Max and VRay, because I did the CGI for them.
The data comes as Maya files from RTT, but there are no constraints whatsoever over what software you use after that.

Cheers,

John

[kosso_olli]

John, great work! Max+Vray ftw!
Also, thanks for all the links posted here, very usefull. Recom Farmhouse by the way uses Maya and Vray: http://forums.chaosgroup.com/showthr...ight=farmhouse

[ali_cgi]

Yes really good reply's, and great work!!
Has anybody thought about integrating Vred into their workflow? I think the Recom post was a while ago but from what I read they have almost fully transitioned towards Vred
If so what are your thoughts, positives and negatives,
Im sitting on a post, I really enjoy and like using vray, vred to me seems too limited, but then I see some good results others get from it.
RT for me with vray isn't quite there, its very laggy even with a second gpu, I think this is the major selling point of Vred,
I don't buy the eliminating data prep etc unless that just means the data is already prepped as it has been done properly in cad before being delivered for visualisation, as with the data i have seen everything usually needs organizing and Vred dosesn't eliminate this unless you are delivered a fully configured red file.

Then Vred I suppose has a material library, but if you already have your own materials built in Vray it dosen't really matter, other than the ease for a new user to tweak materials easily

Cheers, Ali

[Wilyman]

Some good points on here, what about this video from Recom for Autodesk?

http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/cla...43-p#chapter=6

They claim everything in this was done in Vred, is this true or just a Vred sales pitch?
I can't see the point of rendering environments in vred at all and I'm sure i have seen posts about the use of v-ray in some of these projects,
If any Recom guys post on here it would be great to know from an artists perspective what tools were used and why? And how much of this was for Autodesk's sales.
I'm not trying to annoy anybody or anything, but would be good to get a debate going on this kind of thing

Thanks Ali

I've just watched the whole thing through. It looks like they do a lot of very nice work in VRed, and seem happy with it.
But he also says that each of the Ford Explorer images he shows would take about 5 days worth of work, 2 of which are CGI, and you could comfortably do a shot in VRay in that time too.
So it comes across as a choice they've made for artistic reasons, rather than because it's the instant photoreal solution that Autodesk would have us believe.

I think that's fair enough. It certainly looks like it does have advantages over VRay in certain areas, particularly if you've got a photographer or an art director over your shoulder wanting instant feedback.
But equally it lacks an awful lot of the flexibility we have with VRay, and there are a few areas where I don't think the quality is quite there, which just means more work for the retouchers.

Cheers,

John

[ali_cgi]

Thanks John, Great too hear your opinion, how do you find using RT in Vray if you use it, I just can't seem to get it to be responsive enough, always having to reset it etc and this is on a pretty amazing workstation,
If RT worked as well as Vred then the instant feedback situation would be great in both,
I think the main reason for wanting this is the ability to work with someone over your shoulder, be this your boss, client or colleague, being able to explore things with other people in real time can surely only benefit the outcome of work, its coming to the stage were this is needed and even being requested by people.

Cheers Ali

[glorybound]

I don't know, but over the past 20 years of illustrating architecture, I have heard that the end is near dozens of times. I don't know much about the automotive industry, but if it's the same as the arch-viz industry, I wouldn't worry about it. I started rendering by hand and as computers became available, I used them to help my hand renderings. Massing out something and adding a light source got me to a place in the process quickly. I gradually started rendering on the computer more and more, until I stopped rendering by hand. A pencil is just a tool, as is a mouse, and it's the talents behind both that makes the difference. I own a nice camera, however I would starve if I made a living taking photos, however, I know an architectural photography who is well in the 6 figures and has been for a long time.

[vlado]

how do you find using RT in Vray if you use it, I just can't seem to get it to be responsive enough

I would be interested to learn more about this - what kind of scenes are you rendering?

Best regards,
Vlado

[ali_cgi]

Hi Vlado,
Its usually cars on a backplate, cad data exports,
For real work it just seems very laggy, and sometimes stops updating, I just assumed that was the way it is and that maybe a car was too much for in,
The machine I use at work is very fast so this shouldn't be an issue