Vray 3dsmax State Sets Compatibility

[werticus]

Testing out state sets in 2016 and it does not even remember the 3dsmax view port settings properly ffs. Seems to remember EXR save option file name variable fine but not the tick box for saving or not saving.

[jstrob]

In 2016 the VFB on/off is not remembered at all.

In 2017 it seems to remember it but when I submit with deadline they are ignored and it just choose one of the state randomly it seems. I have to play with the deadline settings to see if I can get rid of thet bug.

But the most frightening is that I get display problem with the state sets dialog. It just gets suddenly empty or with a red cross on white background. I have to restart max and sometimes it gets back.

Just imagine it starts doing that on a production with a complex scene on which you spent many days creating all the passes: NIGHTMARE!

[jstrob]

Also it is a bit annoying to have to use the VFP on/off switch cause the state of that switch is not even appearing in the columns at right of the element column in the element tabs so to see if the VFB is on or off you have to click the element name. Really not a good workflow when you have to verify if all the elements are setup correctly in a scene with a dozen state sets for example it could be a nightmare.

Is it possible to have a column for the VFB state?

[kagemaru]

In 2016 the VFB on/off is not remembered at all.

In 2017 it seems to remember it but when I submit with deadline they are ignored and it just choose one of the state randomly it seems. I have to play with the deadline settings to see if I can get rid of thet bug.

But the most frightening is that I get display problem with the state sets dialog. It just gets suddenly empty or with a red cross on white background. I have to restart max and sometimes it gets back.

Just imagine it starts doing that on a production with a complex scene on which you spent many days creating all the passes: NIGHTMARE!

Why this sounds so familiar i don't know....

[jstrob]

Another thing: to output element we need to put a name in the separate render channels "..." button. When using state sets we need to put the name of each state sets manually. Would be great if this was using the state srts naming convention: like writing <StateName> would take care of the naming. Can be a big time saver when having like hundreds of state sets.

[jstrob]

I could get rid of the VFB element problem with deadline. I just unticked everything in the 3ds max pathing tab of the deadline submitter.

but we still need a column in the element to see if the VFB is on or off.

[jstrob]

Why this sounds so familiar i don't know....

Hi Kagemaru, what do you use for your render passes? RPM I guess.

[kagemaru]

Hi Kagemaru, what do you use for your render passes? RPM I guess.

I'm quite ashamed saying this, but here we still rely on separated scene with different shaders/settings. I know it's madness, you won't believe how many times i tried changing things, but nothing. We have problems about this all the time. With alembic and vrayproxy I try to keep things in sync.
I was quite interested in the that reindeer plugin, i had hopes for state sets but just not being sure of the vfb on/off checkbox with deadline is a NO for me.

[werticus]

I don't think i would use stat sets again after my experience with them. Objects going missing, no real certainty over what is and isnt saved inside a state, view ports and cameras changing and needing resetting etc.

[Alex_M]

Is it me or State Sets doesn't record Override material changes in Vray? I've tried with Max 2016 and 2017 and in none of them does this property change get recorded. I would buy RPManager but I'm seriously hesitant about blowing any more money on yet another plug-in/script for an app that I'll most likely be changing in the near future if circumstances allows.

[jstrob]

If you always want to use the latest version of v-ray, render pass systems will always break no matter what plugin you use in max. The best so far is Vexus but it recently stoped working for me for an unknown reason (I have to find some time to contact boomers lab to find a solution). So I may just go back to an old version (of vray and vexus) where it was working, it's too time consuming to always try to help the developers of all the plugins involved debug their plugins (in my case i need 3ds max, v-ray, vexus (RPM in the past) and deadline to work together and if any of them upgrade, it often end-up breaking something and then the funny part of contacting Thinkbox, autodesk, boomer labs (or rpmanager) and chaosgroup starts... a bit time consuming and when we do that we are not paid. So if you find a version that works maybe stick to it and if you really need to work with the latest technology, prepare to switch to Houdini or some other solution with less plugins. That's my advice.

[Ihno]

Reindeer is great and david is kind and responsive. But the last time I tried, reindeer wasn't capable to use the vfb and can't save layered exr's as vray saves them. So I wasn't able to use the denoiser. Which is a showstopper for me.

[thomes]

hello svetlozar,
can you please post a small file max2018 vray3-60-01 where vray renderelement get saved out? i cant get it to work.
they are shown in the VFB but they dont save out.please show it with 2 scenes that render into different folders, or save out with for example different scenestate-names

thanks for help
thomes