Discounted Corona licence?

[LudvikKoutny]

I really don't think Corona is in so desperate need for testers right now, that RL should start discounting licences for V-Ray users. Corona's price is already pretty low, so if you are serious about playing with it or testing it, 25EUR is a cost of a lunch in western Europe and US, or two lunches in eastern Europe. Furthermore, would it be reasonable to expect that the users, who don't even find it worth the current low price, would have enough discipline to put their time and effort into testing it? From my experience, the more I invest in a software, the more I value it, and the more I am inclined to test things and report bugs, because I want my investment to return. You usually want feedback mainly from your core userbase, those who are passionate about the product and find it a worthy investment, not from those "give me free corona and maybe I'll give it a try".

[JD3D_CGI]

Reminds me of when clients used to lowball me, then say "well you can either have the work, or not. What do you choose?"

Corona is worth every single penny and you're all poorer for not owning a license.

Is it really worth shelling out the money for those of us who already have VRAY licenses though? I mean, is it that vast a difference, given the fact that they are beginning to merge technologies?

I get that you like Corona - and it does look cool - but I feel like you're wilfully ignoring the rationale behind the comment you are replying to, and my initial post.

[andy51]

For me it's Vray and will remain Vray for the foreseeable future. For others it's Corona. You try it and if it works for you, you use it. All this wanting a discount now that Chaos Group / Render Legion are buddies, is nonsense. They are not the same product, despite similarities and shared features. So if you've been using Vray I suggest you stick with it, unless Corona has something you desperately need, which personally I find unlikely. Same goes for Corona users, unless Vray has something they desperately need.. For me it's more a "keeping up with the jones's" mentality, rather than one or the other, having something that is really that important to anyone's workflow. I keep saying it, again and again. At the end of the day, the one and only thing that really matters, is the end result, that amazing render that you have spent ages working toward and there isn't a single person here, given a dozens scenes rendered in either one, who isn't told which was used, that could tell if it was Vray or Corona, unless they were just very very lucky.. Yeah it's nice to add all those little bells and whistles and make the thing as easy to use as possible. but it all leads to that rendered image and if you are doing this commercially (because nobody really cares if you are using one or the other, just for fun) it's down to the client to decide if the image is good enough or not.. and they for sure, couldn't give a damn what you used to create it. For all they know, you just take their CAD drawing, PDF's, scribbles and feed that into the computer and it does all the Modelling, Texturing, Lighting and Rendering, while you sit watching TV, drinking beer or sunning yourself in the garden etc

[Pixelcon]

Is it really worth shelling out the money for those of us who already have VRAY licenses though? I mean, is it that vast a difference, given the fact that they are beginning to merge technologies?

I get that you like Corona - and it does look cool - but I feel like you're wilfully ignoring the rationale behind the comment you are replying to, and my initial post.

If I were ignoring your rationale, I wouldn't have replied at all.

[JD3D_CGI]

For me it's Vray and will remain Vray for the foreseeable future. For others it's Corona. You try it and if it works for you, you use it. All this wanting a discount now that Chaos Group / Render Legion are buddies, is nonsense. They are not the same product, despite similarities and shared features. So if you've been using Vray I suggest you stick with it, unless Corona has something you desperately need, which personally I find unlikely. Same goes for Corona users, unless Vray has something they desperately need.. For me it's more a "keeping up with the jones's" mentality, rather than one or the other, having something that is really that important to anyone's workflow. I keep saying it, again and again. At the end of the day, the one and only thing that really matters, is the end result, that amazing render that you have spent ages working toward and there isn't a single person here, given a dozens scenes rendered in either one, who isn't told which was used, that could tell if it was Vray or Corona, unless they were just very very lucky.. Yeah it's nice to add all those little bells and whistles and make the thing as easy to use as possible. but it all leads to that rendered image and if you are doing this commercially (because nobody really cares if you are using one or the other, just for fun) it's down to the client to decide if the image is good enough or not.. and they for sure, couldn't give a damn what you used to create it. For all they know, you just take their CAD drawing, PDF's, scribbles and feed that into the computer and it does all the Modelling, Texturing, Lighting and Rendering, while you sit watching TV, drinking beer or sunning yourself in the garden etc

Mate. I am a real person at the other end of this. You don't need to be calling what I'm saying "nonsense".

You also don't need to be giving a facile lecture on art versus render tech.

I simply stated that it would be interesting to use Corona if you are a VRAY user. As has already been expressed, those of us using Vray are happy with it, but it would be interesting to use and explore Corona - and the benefit for Chaos is that we can hell guide and develop interoperability to benefit the Chaos eco system and catch bugs for any of the trillions of permutations of problems that come up.

Having two separate renderers is great for the Vray + Corona teams. Having them work together is also amazing for reasons that have already been explored here and elsewhere.

"For me it's more a "keeping up with the jones's" mentality"

No, it's called professional curiosity.

[JD3D_CGI]

If I were ignoring your rationale, I wouldn't have replied at all.

Then why did you reply clearly not take into account my rational at all?

[^Lele^]

That's $100 more than they'll ever make off of us.

Yeah. Just make sure to never once report a bug, ask for a feature or need anything at all.
Else, whoever sold you the product for a 100$ is losing out.
I wish people were just as cavalier with their hourly rates.
/personal rant off

[JD3D_CGI]

Yeah. Just make sure to never once report a bug, ask for a feature or need anything at all.
Else, whoever sold you the product for a 100$ is losing out.
I wish people were just as cavalier with their hourly rates.
/personal rant off

Well, to be fair, reporting bugs was part of why I thought we might get a discounted licence - to help with the harmonisation of Vray and Corona with regards to sharing lights, materials etc.

And feature requests, well, one imagines Chaos will always have an eye to whether it's worth doing or not in general.

[^Lele^]

Well, to be fair, reporting bugs was part of why I thought we might get a discounted licence - to help with the harmonisation of Vray and Corona with regards to sharing lights, materials etc.

So you'd be trading actual working hours hunting bugs, preparing reports, submitting data, on a daily basis, for a discount?
It seems to me you are looking for trouble, in the shape of a *lot* of added work in exchange for a few pennies.

This said, beta testing has open and closed phases, and users are more than welcome to the open stage.
The closed phase is really much like a daily job, and am truly not sure a discount would make up for it.

And feature requests, well, one imagines Chaos will always have an eye to whether it's worth doing or not in general.

Where "In General" is the keyword.
In particular, however, a *lot* of time is dedicated to individual clients' needs, be they big or small realities, to make sure they get the best out of the product.
It takes someone's time to read and answer to posts, to code new features, write the docs, do the QA, beta test, and finally release.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's the name of the game, i am not complaining.

But those people's time will have to be paid, and last i checked no one is paying Chaos a yearly sub to come up with new ideas.
People will, or will not, buy V-Ray (or Corona) based purely on the results of Chaos' own investment of resources (in the form of talent, time, and money.).
And finding those three things, and marrying them together in a coherent, functioning whole isn't a given, but terribly hard a slog (which I didn't have to suffer. But someone has been through thick and thin.) with no certainty as to the results.

So, as users you have a stable, private, genuinely good company providing for great, daily growing products, and you're asking to essentially be paid (in the form of a discount) to help out (to make the product you already use to good effect better. double your gain.).
See why i get to rant?
It smacks me of entitlement, that's all, and I really don't find the argument, as it's thus far been presented, as being valid.

I have however *zero* clue, interest or influence into the sale politics of either camp, so hey, discounts may come regardless, i really would not know.
Both my posts here were written as a personal remark, read no company line into any of this.

[JD3D_CGI]

So you'd be trading actual working hours hunting bugs, preparing reports, submitting data, on a daily basis, for a discount?
It seems to me you are looking for trouble, in the shape of a *lot* of added work in exchange for a few pennies.

Well it kind of doesn't matter does it? Either I'm busy with work using VRAY, so I'm not using Corona and thus not depriving them of a sale, or I am using it, and I'm necessarily going through the process of converting scenes and gettign assets working in one or both.

So it's win-win for everyone, or at the least, no-lose for everyone.

And also, everyone in this forum is either pointing pout bugs or fixing them usually. I even have a few of my own modest suggestions in VRAY as it is, as I'm sure you do

This said, beta testing has open and closed phases, and users are more than welcome to the open stage.
The closed phase is really much like a daily job, and am truly not sure a discount would make up for it.


Where "In General" is the keyword.
In particular, however, a *lot* of time is dedicated to individual clients' needs, be they big or small realities, to make sure they get the best out of the product.
It takes someone's time to read and answer to posts, to code new features, write the docs, do the QA, beta test, and finally release.

Fair enough, but it's not an insurmountable problem.

Chaos will know if I have my one workstation and 5 render nodes, plus a free corona licence, or whether I'm, a major studio, and tailor their responses accordingly.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's the name of the game, i am not complaining.

But those people's time will have to be paid, and last i checked no one is paying Chaos a yearly sub to come up with new ideas.
People will, or will not, buy V-Ray (or Corona) based purely on the results of Chaos' own investment of resources (in the form of talent, time, and money.).
And finding those three things, and marrying them together in a coherent, functioning whole isn't a given, but terribly hard a slog (which I didn't have to suffer. But someone has been through thick and thin.) with no certainty as to the results.

So, as users you have a stable, private, genuinely good company providing for great, daily growing products, and you're asking to essentially be paid (in the form of a discount) to help out (to make the product you already use to good effect better. double your gain.).
See why i get to rant?
It smacks me of entitlement, that's all, and I really don't find the argument, as it's thus far been presented, as being valid.

I have however *zero* clue, interest or influence into the sale politics of either camp, so hey, discounts may come regardless, i really would not know.
Both my posts here were written as a personal remark, read no company line into any of this.

Sorry mate, you've missed the point. Which kind of smacks of being patronising.

Firstly, I realise people have to be paid for their time. We are all business men here sp no need to state the obvious.

I am simply saying that, for those of us WHO ALREADY HAVE A VRAY LICENCE AND USE IT it could be beneficial to "dabble" with Corona. It's not a sale Chaos are losing, because we already have Vray.

Remember that bit? when I said that before?

So you have a group of people who are essentially the last group of people who are likely to buy Corona.

But what you do want to do, is keep them within the Chaos eco-system, and make the eco system flourish. So your opinions about beta testing aside - it's an idea to let Vray users toy with Corona, because Chaos might get soem useful data out of it, while simultaneously not risking sales.

I mean - what part of the above are you struggling with?

[Syclone1]

if you want to "dabble" then whats wrong with the free version on the Corona site? Yes I know its an older version but still the same at the core as their literature points out. Or the fact you can pay 25 euros to dabble with it for 30 days... or Im sure if you sent them an email you could probably get a 30 day trial...

**EDIT**

Right off of the Corona Site: This is the latest commercial release of Corona Renderer for 3ds Max. It comes in a universal installer which lets you activate Corona in both FairSaaS and Box license mode, or in the 45-day unlimited demo mode if you want to just try out Corona. The demo has no resolution limitations or watermarks, and you can even use it for commercial purposes. Corona works with 3ds Max 2012-2018.

[tue_nguyen]

I don't think we will have free Coca because we order KFC. Right? So why discounted for corona?