Reflections behaving strangley Vray 5

[ali_cgi]

Hi I am noticing what may be a bug with reflections in Vray 5. Maya 2020

I have a blend mtl car paint... two vray materials, one on top acting as a clear coat. The clearcoat has no fresnel in the shader and is blended over original with a fresnel mask.
Usually, I have a tiny amount of reflection glossiness in the clearcoat.
I usually have a lot of lights set with reflections off.
However with my clearcoat vray material. If I add glossiness to the reflection the lights reflection appears 'even when reflections are turned off in the light. Put the glossiness back to one and no reflection.
I have never had this issue with any other version of vray. Really strange

[ali_cgi]

https://forums.chaosgroup.com/forum/...-old-behaviour

Ok it seems to be similar to this thread... However, I can not remove reflections without also removing specular. With both Consistent and not consistent lighting elements.

I hope I'm missing something silly here as this could make vray 5 unusable for automotive work for a lot of studios. I didn't have such problems in vray next

[ali_cgi]

Great to get some information on this?

[hermit.crab]

Refer to this post and topic about the matter.