tutorials for skecth up

[victorincon]

Is any tutorial for sketch up? I did downloads in every one (all inside say rhino and many the tools is not in sketch up . I am an architect user, I do not want to be and software expert....I just want get my job done, but this software is expensive and very very complicate.....where is the real tutorials for sketch up...with a real applications?

Thanks guys

[kc.rkitek_cg]

Re: tutorials for skecth up

I'm not sure I understand what you mean and furthermore what exactly the purpose of the poll is. Admittedly, there isn't exactly a plethora of V4SU-specific tutorials available, but seems to be a few in there. Am I missing your point here? ???

[victorincon]

Re: tutorials for skecth up

The point simple.

I bought V-ray for sketch up. over 6 months ago, and in that time, I can`t even make one render. because is very complex software and is not any tutorials with at real applications, for sketch up. the point is how I can understand how use a software when all tutorials is for rhino?? or any other software but not for sketch up.(sketch up very simple and fast software, I think V-Ray is not ready for use in sketch up. and again where I can found tutorials for only Sketch up?? is a easy question!

I got Basic Exterior scene settings. write for corey rubadue.
Church of light...written by damien alomar
Lighting in V-ray for skecth up written by damien alomar
architectural interior...and says for skecth up but is for rhino.

plus the standart manual of skecth up. and all the tutorials came from rhino, and not one works in skecth up.

[dalomar_cg]

Re: tutorials for skecth up

Rather then debate the "SU specific tutorials" issue, I'll explain a little bit why the tutorial approach has been an integrated one. V-Ray is V-Ray no matter where you go, it doesn't matter whether its SU, Rhino, Max, Maya, C4D, XSI or wherever else it goes. Basically if you know how to setup a rendering in Vray, the concepts which allow you to do so are the same no matter what application your in.

So these tutorials that your seeing, if they were made for SU, you probably wouldn't see anything significantly different. About the only procedures that would be somewhat different would be lighting (which there is a SU specific tutorial for, although applicable to Rhino as well) and materials. With the later, much of the difference comes in with mapping (which should be a concept that is based in SU and not V-Ray specific) and Linked Materials (a section which was completely written from scratch for the SU portion of the manual).

Basically what I'm saying is that its the CONCEPTS that are important within vray, not "do this to get this" kind of approach. V-Ray is a complicated software, so even if the concepts were presented within a SU environment it wouldn't make them any less complicated. V-ray is "opposite" to SU in this metality, which is not what is expected of most SU users.

Questions are a great way to learn. I'm sure you've got them so ask. The more specific your question the more myself and other users will be able answer them.

[kc.rkitek_cg]

Re: tutorials for skecth up

I think this was exactly my point, dalomar...I probably should have just left it alone! But since I'm going through the same thing as victorincon with learning how to use vray4SU, I understand how getting a firm grasp on this can be discouraging at times.

You're absolutely correct; Vray IS very complex. However, after trying several different systems, I can confidently say that there really is no "silver bullet". But for my purposes, SU paired with Vray is pretty close! It will take some time to study and learn how to manipulate all the controls skillfully and for many users, myself definitely included, that can mean a significant commitment to get encouraging results. Like you, I am also an architect and have very little time to allocate towards becoming a "software expert". I'm actually just starting to demo this with hopes that I will master it well enough in 30 days to make a convincing presentation to my principal. I really want him to provide me with a license, so I guess that's my motivation.

You'll probably discover that there are a few global setting that you may never have to worry about too much, however there can be many scene-specific variables that must be accounted for in order to produce really good renders. Again, there is no "silver bullet". I'm finding that you just have to dig a little (sometime a LOT) to learn how to make those adjustments on a scene-to-scene basis....now and then, even outside of these forums (gasp!).

Just out of curiosity, victorincon, is there something in particular that you're trying to learn that you were unable to uncover in the manual or from searching these forums? Like dalomar mentioned, there are many knowledgable people here with a great amount of valuable experience that I'm sure are willing to assist you with your questions. Obviously, I probably can't help much since I'm still very green, but if you could describe exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish and the problem you having with achieving your goal, I'll bet there's someone who would be happy to help.

I can tell you that almost everything I can do with this so far is a product of reading, searching, and more reading. And naturally when learning anything new, there's a dash of trial and error thrown in for good measure. For me, the last week has been comparable to learning a new language. However, with some patience and persistence, I'm certain your efforts will pay off. Hopefully, mine too! Good luck!! ;D

[Jazzster11]

Re: tutorials for skecth up

Okay, I am another architect (sorry,) and I'm familiar with Vray for VIZ, but I'm trying out the plugin for SketchUp to see if it will work for more people in our office. I cannot download ANY of the manuals linked in the download section. I am obviously logged in or I couldn't post here I assume. Is there another location where I can find the manual(s)?

victorincon,
I can confidently tell you that Vray will never be as simple to use as SketchUp; the mathematical computations behind lighting have driven me insane many late nights, and unless you have experience with photography (which I lack completely) then you will also struggle with the physical camera settings (which will also affect your final rendering results.)

Sorry,
Alex