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  • Backgrounds - again (update 29 Nov 09)

    (I have updated this thread to suit the latest release of Vray - to avoid confusing people with references to 'linked materials' etc which is now redundant - David)

    Further to this thread http://asgvis.com/index.php?option=c...20539#msg20539 regarding different background solutions

    HDR skies are ok but are unlikely to be specific to your site.

    Site photos are ok, but are not hdr, so difficult to get them to 'emit' in the sky area and not 'emit' in the non-sky area, so they are less than perfect backgrounds.

    SOLUTION
    On location, take photo at 180deg to the intended photomatch view (or take several and stitch together) - image 1
    Make an alpha map of the sky - image 2 - note this alpha map is inverted - so check the 'invert' box when inserting the map in the transparency slot.
    In sketchup, set up billboards opposite the model to provide reflections - that is IMPORT image ('use as image') - then explode. You will now see the image appear in both the SU material editor and the Vray materail list. (set horizon of images to match model) - image 3
    set transparency of billboard image to 100%
    create vray linked material of image,
    If you want the billboard to be emissive (it may otherwise be poorly lit and dull if the sun is behind it)
    then put ( image 1) in a new emissive layer (at say an intensity of 3 for physical camera)
    put alpha map in transparency slot of the same emissive layer
    Use your 'favourite' hdr sky (or just the vray sky)
    RENDER

    This allows the sky to be bright and the non-sky areas to just act as skyline as this final image shows, but I realise this might be a sledgehammer to crack a nut(!).

    Hope this is helpful

    David

    Image 1 - site photo



    Image 2 - make alpha map



    Image 3 - sketchup set-up



    Image 4 RESULT



    Image 5 Orginal photomatch image



    Just to round it off - the background will cast a shadow, but only the non-sky area, so you don't get the usual rectangular shadow that you often get with a regular billboard. This means you can sometimes use the shadows to your advantage. (I've put a plane in front of the billboard here, just to show the shadow result ;D


    Sketchup 2015
    Vray version 2.00
    www.davidcauldwell.co.uk

  • #2
    Re: Backgrounds - again

    Wow! Took me some time to figure what is 3D and what was photo!
    You are the Master of photo-matching!

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    • #3
      Re: Backgrounds - again

      nice technique david. thanks for sharing.
      http://www.nomeradona.blogspot.com/
      http://www.sketchupvrayresources.blogspot.com/
      http://www.nomeradonaart.blogspot.com/

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      • #4
        Re: Backgrounds - again

        Impressive work again david!!

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        • #5
          Re: Backgrounds - again

          David, that is a very godo trick. very creative!!! : )
          but one question, in your trick, you cant put the camera behind the billboard. rite? somehow even i set the transparency to 100%. the image still show up as emissive material. So if i put the camera behind the billboard, it will block my camera.

          again, great technique u got there.
          artchung

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          • #6
            Re: Backgrounds - again

            I am trying to follow your tutorial but when i go to add a vray linked material i dont have this option. I have the following options:

            - vraymtl
            - vray2sidedmtl
            - vrayskp2sidedmtl
            - vraytoonmtl

            Can you please let me let me know where to go from here.

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            • #7
              Re: Backgrounds - again

              it's because in the newer version, the material get linked automaticly. (In the past you had to link the sketchup material manually). So don't worry about it

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              • #8
                Re: Backgrounds - again

                thanks for getting back to me, this is driving me insane!

                ok so this is what i did,

                make rectangle in sketchup opposite my model.
                make a new vray material.
                add image 1 into the diffuse layer (this is just a normal image of the site with sky included) is this where i am going wrong??
                made a new emissive layer
                put image one into an emissive layer
                put the alphamap into the transparency of the emissive layer.
                apply that material to the rectangle

                this should then form the shadows like in DCAULDWELL's final image. but it doesnt and i dont know where i am going wrong?

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                • #9
                  Re: Backgrounds - again

                  did you put the alpha map in the transparancy slot next to the diffuse aswell?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Backgrounds - again

                    any technique for creating alpha maps of complex shapes like those trees?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Backgrounds - again

                      any technique for creating alpha maps of complex shapes like those trees?
                      Yes - its really easy.
                      Using your editor (Photoshop etc) make a copy of the original image, then make it greyscale and adjust the contrast until you get just B & W. You may want to 'paint' in more white to ensure the opacity - but that may not be necessary.

                      David
                      Sketchup 2015
                      Vray version 2.00
                      www.davidcauldwell.co.uk

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                      • #12
                        Re: Backgrounds - again

                        billboards seem to be the only possible way to work at VRAY for Sketchup.

                        Photoshop seems nice at first glance but the reflections are a problem.

                        Of course, in theory, you could add a bitmap as reflection in the options panel, but I get NOTHING out of it! I only get a reflection map if I set the bitmap as ENVIRONMENT SPHERICAL... but then, if I wanted my reflections to be so distorted, wouldnt it be easier to set the BACKGROUND ITSELF as ENVIROMENTAL SPHERICAL and use the same bitmap?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Backgrounds - again

                          david,

                          could you please reconfirm how to create the background image and tell me where i am going wrong?

                          thanks
                          steph

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                          • #14
                            Re: Backgrounds - again (update 29 Nov 09)

                            steph

                            I realise that my post may be a bit confusing because it was written some time ago for an older version of Vray - I've now updated it and I hope it is clearer.

                            David
                            Sketchup 2015
                            Vray version 2.00
                            www.davidcauldwell.co.uk

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