VrayRT first impressions

[percydaman]

Did you hold off buying Vray until it had all of it's current features?

I understand where you are coming from, but I really think you are are going to be missing a lot of benefit. Guess it depends on how long it takes to get the rest of the features updated.

b

I purchased vray back when it was in its infancy, literally. But things were different back then. There WAS NO fully functional GI renderer back then for 3dsmax. So being an early adopter was your only choice.

Back when I was really learning the basics of lighting and materials, this would have been awesome. Now I don't need it so much. Hate to sound arrogant, but these days, I plug in lights and materials and pretty much out of the box they're probably 85-90% done. Certainly there are scenarios where RT would help speed some things up, but I can wait until its a little more fleshed out before plopping down the money. This is as much a 'current economy' decision as anything else I'm afraid.

And as I said before, I don't want to change my workflow just for the sake of using the latest thing. Trust me I'll buy it eventually, if just to support Chaos, who are the greatest.

[plastic_]

It would be extremely helpful if you let us know for any such omissions so that we can correct eventually.

Best regards,
Vlado

i will, when my order get processed. the demo is a bit too restrictive for extensive testing

[zeronove]

Did you hold off buying Vray until it had all of it's current features?
b

Certainly he didn't, but probably the issue is that now we have all these amazing features already deep inside of our workflows ...so, now, everyone wants to play with these in realtime!

[simmsimaging]

I personally am going to hold off on picking this up until its a little more production ready. I've been just fine without it up to this point, so it seems a bad idea to start changing my workflow to suit it until its completely ready.

Did you hold off buying Vray until it had all of it's current features?

I understand where you are coming from, but I really think you are are going to be missing a lot of benefit. Guess it depends on how long it takes to get the rest of the features updated.

b

[Chris-C]

For me as a newly educated CAD Designer, that has used Vray for 6 months now, i believe that this will speed up my workflow quite a bit. I started working with archviz now recently and cant wait to implant Vray RT into my workflow I got a good first impression from the demo rly. Thanks alot for this ChaosGroup!

[percydaman]

I personally am going to hold off on picking this up until its a little more production ready. I've been just fine without it up to this point, so it seems a bad idea to start changing my workflow to suit it until its completely ready.

[vlado]

I'm sorry Chaos; but totally agree with that statement! For me the 15 objects limit it's not a great issue; my suggestion is to leave as demo limitation the resolution, the number of object and the number of seconds for every active shade session, that is enough! ...just please remove the 5 active shade window for 3ds max session limit!!!

I generally agree too, but it is not up to me to decide unfortunately; perhaps we will be able to get out a less restrictive demo version later on.

I believed that I could have used RT to clarify myself how sub scattering really works but after some time spent on tweaking values I discoverded that, 'till now, it's not supported

It was a tough decision that we had to make, to move rendering outside of 3ds Max and leave some things unsupported for a while, but I think was necessary in view of where we want to get eventually

Best regards,
Vlado

[zeronove]

Let me briefly clarify my position,

...most of us are long time VRay users and during these years we have received a lot of extra features without paying nothing more than the initial price, great forum support directly from dev team, on so on...

Said that...

the RT demo seems restricted with a level of paranoia that I've never seen before!

I'm sorry Chaos; but totally agree with that statement!

A Less limited demo would be great, really just need more objects.

For me the 15 objects limit it's not a great issue; my suggestion is to leave as demo limitation the resolution, the number of object and the number of seconds for every active shade session, that is enough!
...just please remove the 5 active shade window for 3ds max session limit!!!

Another option could be release a free limited version and a pro/adv or whatever; I suppose that for most of us that was exactly the entrance into the VRay world some years ago.

What i'm more concerned about, is that many little settings in maps, etc. are not supported

That is my disappointment as well; for instance, I believed that I could have used RT to clarify myself how sub scattering really works but after some time spent on tweaking values I discoverded that, 'till now, it's not supported

So, IMHO, actually it's really very difficult to evaluate a purchasing option!

[olly]

Vlado I've PM'd you...

Cheers,
Olly

[vlado]

It doesn't when I have a teapot on a vrayplane lit by a vray sun and sky, but I'm afraid it does on this production scene I'm working on: http://www.chaosgroup.com/forums/vbu...95&postcount=6

Cheers,
Olly

Hm, we have tested it on quite more complicated scenes, and was not too bad; it may be useful if we could take a look at that scene, but I would understand if it's not possible.

Best regards,
Vlado

[vlado]

What i'm more concerned about, is that many little settings in maps, etc. are not supported, or look differently than the final render with vray, which shouldn't happen with a realtime preview/tweaking tool.

It would be extremely helpful if you let us know for any such omissions so that we can correct eventually.

Best regards,
Vlado

[olly]

If something is changed......the window never really gets black.

It doesn't when I have a teapot on a vrayplane lit by a vray sun and sky, but I'm afraid it does on this production scene I'm working on: http://www.chaosgroup.com/forums/vbu...95&postcount=6

Cheers,
Olly

[plastic_]

I totally agree.

When you consider that we can download and install a fully functional copy of max limited to 30 days, and worth 5 times the price or more, the RT demo seems restricted with a level of paranoia that I've never seen before!

Why not make it fully functional but expire at the end of June or even 1 weeks time?

From what I have seen of it though, I'm a bit disappointed that the activeshade window doesn't update a bit more interactively, rather than going back to black and re-rendering the whole view This makes it difficult to make fine adjustments or am I missing something here?

Cheers,
Olly

I agree, it's annoying.
I guess making a more functional demo makes it easier for crackers to remove the restrictions and release it as a cracked "full version".

If something is changed, the calculation does start from the beginning, but quite fast so. the window never really gets black. overall it feels quite smooth, especially if only the view is changed.

With radiosity (the good old lightscape), if a color was changed, the calculation didn't start again, but adapted to the new value.
this would be cool, but also wrong in many situations, like it would be impossible for reflections to adapt (i guess).

What i'm more concerned about, is that many little settings in maps, etc. are not supported, or look differently than the final render with vray, which shouldn't happen with a realtime preview/tweaking tool.
But i'm sure this will improve in the next months.
Vray standalone is impressive, i'm looking forward for standalone to replace vray 1.5 for final rendering too. (linux render nodes finally?).

[olly]

A Less limited demo would be great, really just need more objects.
Main thing for people who do not have render farms would be to see if single machine can run Vray RT smoothly, before spending the money and finding their machine comes to a grinding halt when trying to run it.
Look forward to any updates, hopefully before the special introductory price expires
Cheers
Derek

I totally agree.

When you consider that we can download and install a fully functional copy of max limited to 30 days, and worth 5 times the price or more, the RT demo seems restricted with a level of paranoia that I've never seen before!

Why not make it fully functional but expire at the end of June or even 1 weeks time?

From what I have seen of it though, I'm a bit disappointed that the activeshade window doesn't update a bit more interactively, rather than going back to black and re-rendering the whole view This makes it difficult to make fine adjustments or am I missing something here?

Cheers,
Olly

[DEREK_DALLAS]

Less limited demo

A Less limited demo would be great, really just need more objects.
Main thing for people who do not have render farms would be to see if single machine can run Vray RT smoothly, before spending the money and finding their machine comes to a grinding halt when trying to run it.
Look forward to any updates, hopefully before the special introductory price expires
Cheers
Derek