What do the car guys think of this?
Will the car work die out as the manufacturers do everything in house with vast amounts of power?
To me its quite scary! Would be great to know what others are thinking.
http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/classes-on-demand/class-catalog/2015/vred/at12164#chapter=0
Cheers
Ali
similar problem for arch vis
Audi did some VR demos at CES with a modified Unreal Engine. Great images in realtime of 7 mio poly Cars.
I highly doubt that all of this is f***ing Vred. The Mission-E shown in the video was done by the guys over at Mackevision, and they have been using Vray for years: Ireland | Let There Be Change | Accenture
Also, it may be true that Porsche AG tries to get everything done inside Vred because it is heavily pushed by Autodesk in the automotive sector. The clients responsible for the image creation (companies like Recom, The Scope etc) get a Vred Dataset, but then tend to use their own workflow. To this day, I have never seen an image in a catalogue or a magazine, that was done by a car company itself. The reason is simple: The guys at the car companies are technicians, and you can see that in every image or movie they produce on their own.They are totally boring, as you can see in that demo video posted by Ali. There is always a lot of artistry and postproduction involved to make these images exciting. Thats what guys like us are for!
Can I find this somewhere?
Some good points on here, what about this video from Recom for Autodesk?
http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/classes-on-demand/class-catalog/2014/vred/id7343-p#chapter=6
They claim everything in this was done in Vred, is this true or just a Vred sales pitch?
I can’t see the point of rendering environments in vred at all and I’m sure i have seen posts about the use of v-ray in some of these projects,
If any Recom guys post on here it would be great to know from an artists perspective what tools were used and why? And how much of this was for Autodesk’s sales.
I’m not trying to annoy anybody or anything, but would be good to get a debate going on this kind of thing
Thanks Ali
Just to expand on this, the video refers to the images that Porsche are creating for press releases and PR, of which I think some are done in-house, and some are done by the likes of Staud Studios, and they are largely done in VRed. You can tell the PR shots from Porsche because the licence plate usually starts with “S GO”.
The shots that Porsche use in their catalogues and ads are commissioned by an ad agency, and as Olli says, are done in whatever software the supplier chooses to do them in.
I can tell you for a fact that the location shots in the 911, Macan & Cayenne catalogues, along with the upcoming Boxster and Cayman, were all done in Max and VRay, because I did the CGI for them.
The data comes as Maya files from RTT, but there are no constraints whatsoever over what software you use after that.
Cheers,
John
John, great work! Max+Vray ftw!
Also, thanks for all the links posted here, very usefull. Recom Farmhouse by the way uses Maya and Vray: http://forums.chaosgroup.com/showthread.php?54043-Lexus-CT-Recom-Farmhouse&highlight=farmhouse
Yes really good reply’s, and great work!!
Has anybody thought about integrating Vred into their workflow? I think the Recom post was a while ago but from what I read they have almost fully transitioned towards Vred
If so what are your thoughts, positives and negatives,
Im sitting on a post, I really enjoy and like using vray, vred to me seems too limited, but then I see some good results others get from it.
RT for me with vray isn’t quite there, its very laggy even with a second gpu, I think this is the major selling point of Vred,
I don’t buy the eliminating data prep etc unless that just means the data is already prepped as it has been done properly in cad before being delivered for visualisation, as with the data i have seen everything usually needs organizing and Vred dosesn’t eliminate this unless you are delivered a fully configured red file.
Then Vred I suppose has a material library, but if you already have your own materials built in Vray it dosen’t really matter, other than the ease for a new user to tweak materials easily
Cheers, Ali
I’ve just watched the whole thing through. It looks like they do a lot of very nice work in VRed, and seem happy with it.
But he also says that each of the Ford Explorer images he shows would take about 5 days worth of work, 2 of which are CGI, and you could comfortably do a shot in VRay in that time too.
So it comes across as a choice they’ve made for artistic reasons, rather than because it’s the instant photoreal solution that Autodesk would have us believe.
I think that’s fair enough. It certainly looks like it does have advantages over VRay in certain areas, particularly if you’ve got a photographer or an art director over your shoulder wanting instant feedback.
But equally it lacks an awful lot of the flexibility we have with VRay, and there are a few areas where I don’t think the quality is quite there, which just means more work for the retouchers.
Cheers,
John
Thanks John, Great too hear your opinion, how do you find using RT in Vray if you use it, I just can’t seem to get it to be responsive enough, always having to reset it etc and this is on a pretty amazing workstation,
If RT worked as well as Vred then the instant feedback situation would be great in both,
I think the main reason for wanting this is the ability to work with someone over your shoulder, be this your boss, client or colleague, being able to explore things with other people in real time can surely only benefit the outcome of work, its coming to the stage were this is needed and even being requested by people.
Cheers Ali
I don’t know, but over the past 20 years of illustrating architecture, I have heard that the end is near dozens of times. I don’t know much about the automotive industry, but if it’s the same as the arch-viz industry, I wouldn’t worry about it. I started rendering by hand and as computers became available, I used them to help my hand renderings. Massing out something and adding a light source got me to a place in the process quickly. I gradually started rendering on the computer more and more, until I stopped rendering by hand. A pencil is just a tool, as is a mouse, and it’s the talents behind both that makes the difference. I own a nice camera, however I would starve if I made a living taking photos, however, I know an architectural photography who is well in the 6 figures and has been for a long time.
I would be interested to learn more about this - what kind of scenes are you rendering?
Best regards,
Vlado
Hi Vlado,
Its usually cars on a backplate, cad data exports,
For real work it just seems very laggy, and sometimes stops updating, I just assumed that was the way it is and that maybe a car was too much for in,
The machine I use at work is very fast so this shouldn’t be an issue
Vlado, we tried to use RT here from 2.x to now 3.1…the issue IMHO isn’t how responsive it’s in Maya but the stability during look-dev and lighting. Believe a full production vehicle scene isn’t as complex as heavy VFX film scene, but it crashes quite often and random. We couldn’t re-produce the crash to diagnose the problem. Not sure how it is in Max RT though.
RE: VRED, it’s difficult to do lighting, especially interior lighting, compared to Vray. Great real-time shaders and interactivity. But when you turned on raytracing, AA, and GI, the response in my experience is even worse then Vray RT. With VRED, it’s limited as far as I can tell, but depends on what you need at the end. You can knock out great still sthots quickly by working with a pro retoucher because you have the whole up-to-date CAD database in VRED already anyway and the material library out of box looks good enough for both real-time and offline rendering. When you don’t need to mess a lot with lighting, it’s as simple as set camera, render out, and hand it off to your retoucher to make the images beautiful.
yeah, i wonder about the same thing. My box is not the latest but 40 HT cores, 128 GIG of ram, and K6000…so I hope machine ins’t the issue…
If RT is used all the time for Arch-viz and heavy VFX production scenes, it should be able to handle vehicle production scenes no problem…I wish RT can work more like and progrssive sampler as I don’t experience crash during using progrssive sampler. Wish cached geo and texture maps, it’s my only alternative to RT for look-dev and lighting when RT keeps crashing.
Has anybody had any experience with manufacturers supplied Vred files?
If this is what the manufacturers are handing out then it may be something we need too get familiar with even if it does mean exporting for use in v-ray,
Would the datasets be exported poly’s or nurbs/cad as Vred seems to also be pushing the ability too render directly from cad.
Cheers
Ali
I have a test coming up for a manufacturer where they send the data out as Vred data set. It will be polies, not nurbs.
Thanks Oli, What will you be doing with the data exporting out to max?
I can imagine that if they send out as a configurator were you can just pick which model you want that would save a lot of prep in max,
You shall have too let us know how it goes! 