Legendary Furniture collection

[2002_cg]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

I have been using both Rhino and 3DS Max for several years. Here is a small +/- list for you:

Rhino
+ More accurate (nurbs modelling)
+ excellent 2D program (snapping, grid, curve tools...)
+ Easy to learn
+ Command line (fast to use)
+ Cheap program
+ export/import options
- Vray for Rhino not even close as good as Vray for 3DS Max
- Cannot model polygons (well there is of course T-Splines...)

3DS Max
+ Editable polygon (very easy and creative way to model)
+ Can handle a lot of geometry without crashing
+ Viewport safe frames
+ 2 point perspective in physical camera
+ VrayRT, Vray proxy, Vray scatter etc
+ UVW mapping
- Expensive

Usually I use the both programs at the same time, exporting and importing geometry from one to another. Renderings I do almost every time with 3DS Max.

[LeoBonilla]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

- Vray for Rhino not even close as good as Vray for 3DS Max

V-Ray for max has more years of development than VFR, quality can be achieved in the same level it depends of the artist and not of the soft.

Max is a Advertisement software, is capable of some things Rhino is not made for, and rhino is capable of things Max can't and will never do because is not made for it.

If you are a product designer that is focused in production your best choice will be Rhino and other CAD and CAE software.

But if you are a Media designer your best choice can be MAX, Cinema4d, Maya and other things.


This is a long discussion but I feel a little offended when you say that. NOt even close...... ??? ??? ??? ???

[2002_cg]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Please dont be offended, there is just quite a lot of properties missing in VfR, such as Vray Proxy, VrayOverrideMtl, VrayBlendMtl, VrayFur, Ambient Occlusion, VrayDisplacement for objects/geometry, VrayRT to mention a few.

So far I have done almost every architectural rendering with vray for 3ds max because in my opinion I think its much easier. Therefore (if I have enough time) I will try to make a nice exterior rendering with VfR - just to prove myself that its possible.

regards,

Simon

[LeoBonilla]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Are missing because if you can google and read about some facts ASGVIS was created as a Visualization studio in 2005, and because of their needs they ported V-Ray core to Rhino and SU.
ChaosGroup was founded in 1997 and in 2002 they started to developed full time the software you know. 3 years can make the difference!!!

Properties are not missing, they haven't been ported or developed! Don't think as a incomplete software. It's developed by people who are putting their biggest effort to have a better software for us. Also some things don't depend on ASGVIS completly, you have to search and understand the relationship with Mcneel Associates the owners of Rhino. For example Mapping depends on Rhino development.

and in the cons you missed that each year you have to upgrade the software and pay for it if you want to use the next v-ray version. Upgrade from 2009 or 2010 - $1,745!!!!!!!!!!

How many times you have to pay for Rhino and V-Ray for Rhino? or T-Splines/......or grasshoper? were are the free plugins for Max?

I have reasons to be offended, One because of the comparison you are making is in a VFR and we all know what is "missing", two I appreciate Matus and I know he would not like this type of discussion in his post.

[matus.nedecky]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

I don't enjoy it, that's right. But on the other hand: I had a big fight with my professor today in the morning (yea, fight with my UNI professor!!!) he said Rhino + VfR is not fully professional... And that was the problem... My blood was boiling out of my veins! I made him mad... sooo MAD! Never mind, Rhino and VfR are my precious darlings, nobody is allowed to say bad things about them. Well, he is about 50 and really dumbass, so he will never understand. Next week I am going to ask him again if I can promote Rhino and Vray to my colleagues, (I have to ask him, because he has to allow me to use large screen in special room) so I suppose there will be another fight. SO: you can continue and I will learn a lot

[DaveReyes]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Hello guys maybe I am out of the topic, but I have decided to learn rhino and of course use vray, In this moment I am a sketchup user and in my plan first I had in mind 3d max but damn it to expensive. I have seen beautyful renders done with rhino is a really powerful 3d sofware, So to much bla bla bla sorry for that, what do you guys recommend so I learn Rhino where I should beggin?
Matus congrats you are doing a beautyful job!.

[artupato]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Even though I am not a Rhino user - because some of my colleague does not know rhino - but I too am a little offended. vfr "not even close" to vfmax?? I CANNOT agree to that..

[Alexander Petrov]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

I don't enjoy it, that's right. But on the other hand: I had a big fight with my professor today in the morning (yea, fight with my UNI professor!!!) he said Rhino + VfR is not fully professional... And that was the problem... My blood was boiling out of my veins! I made him mad... sooo MAD! Never mind, Rhino and VfR are my precious darlings, nobody is allowed to say bad things about them. Well, he is about 50 and really dumbass, so he will never understand. Next week I am going to ask him again if I can promote Rhino and Vray to my colleagues, (I have to ask him, because he has to allow me to use large screen in special room) so I suppose there will be another fight. SO: you can continue and I will learn a lot

Have you tried Alias Surface Studio ever? Do you know what is class-A surfaces?

[ALTO]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Are missing because if you can google and read about some facts ASGVIS was created as a Visualization studio in 2005, and because of their needs they ported V-Ray core to Rhino and SU.
ChaosGroup was founded in 1997 and in 2002 they started to developed full time the software you know. 3 years can make the difference!!!

Properties are not missing, they haven't been ported or developed! Don't think as a incomplete software. It's developed by people who are putting their biggest effort to have a better software for us. Also some things don't depend on ASGVIS completly, you have to search and understand the relationship with Mcneel Associates the owners of Rhino. For example Mapping depends on Rhino development.

and in the cons you missed that each year you have to upgrade the software and pay for it if you want to use the next v-ray version. Upgrade from 2009 or 2010 - $1,745!!!!!!!!!!

How many times you have to pay for Rhino and V-Ray for Rhino? or T-Splines/......or grasshoper? were are the free plugins for Max?

I have reasons to be offended, One because of the comparison you are making is in a VFR and we all know what is "missing", two I appreciate Matus and I know he would not like this type of discussion in his post.

It seems you don't know Vray for Max so why are you offended?
Simon10 was only answering to Mr. Senator question giving his personal opinion (which i totally agree with) and this type of discussion was not started by him.

So please calm down.


Matus nice rendering and beautiful modeling, really thanks for your tutorials.

[matus.nedecky]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Thank you, ALTO

[ferrosoa_cg]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Thank you, ALTO

mas na sebe kontakt ICQ?

[matus.nedecky]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Jo, mas to v sprave.

[LeoBonilla]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Are missing because if you can google and read about some facts ASGVIS was created as a Visualization studio in 2005, and because of their needs they ported V-Ray core to Rhino and SU.
ChaosGroup was founded in 1997 and in 2002 they started to developed full time the software you know. 3 years can make the difference!!!

Properties are not missing, they haven't been ported or developed! Don't think as a incomplete software. It's developed by people who are putting their biggest effort to have a better software for us. Also some things don't depend on ASGVIS completly, you have to search and understand the relationship with Mcneel Associates the owners of Rhino. For example Mapping depends on Rhino development.

and in the cons you missed that each year you have to upgrade the software and pay for it if you want to use the next v-ray version. Upgrade from 2009 or 2010 - $1,745!!!!!!!!!!

How many times you have to pay for Rhino and V-Ray for Rhino? or T-Splines/......or grasshoper? were are the free plugins for Max?

I have reasons to be offended, One because of the comparison you are making is in a VFR and we all know what is "missing", two I appreciate Matus and I know he would not like this type of discussion in his post.

It seems you don't know Vray for Max so why are you offended?
Simon10 was only answering to Mr. Senator question giving his personal opinion (which i totally agree with) and this type of discussion was not started by him.

So please calm down.


Matus nice rendering and beautiful modeling, really thanks for your tutorials.

I barely know it because I don't need it. ;D

[ozanb]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection



depends what you need kids, I am industrial designer, mostly enough for my needs with the end result

on the other hand the gui and workflow may be still be improved big time, asgvis can hire me as a consultant if they like, I may need a job someday anyway

[matus.nedecky]

Re: Legendary Furniture collection

Thank you for your comments about Rhino / Max ... This Topic was originally started to show off and discuss my renderings, so it would be fine if I get some feedback about them

My latest visualization of Villa in Bratislava. - it is still in WIP process.

Building on the left (neighbour) is very flat, without contrast and not really heavy-detailed for two reasons: not to take all your attention on itself and second reason: there will be grey square over it with some white text about the villa. So there was no need to make it super detailed. Here's the image:



::UPDATE::
and voila, another one:

Rhino+Vray Demo used. Thanks for C&C.