Exterior night view

[prateekvishwa]

I was just provided with autocads, no colour scheme, materials, landscaping or surrounding information is provided by client. Attached image is what i submitted last. Every time i am sending him he is saying, image need to be improved more.. now what is that 'more' he is not telling me.. he is saying it should look good.. I am fed up.. don't know what more can i do here when no information is provided.. please advice..

[paolo242]

I think he has no idea what he wants and so he can not tell you what he wants.
Sometimes I have got the same problem and so I usually try to ask for more information or do some suggestions...
Anyway nice ima.

[simmsimaging]

It's important to set boundaries with clients - they need to define what it is they want from you in terms of content, but if what he is saying is that he is not happy with the *quality* of the work that is a different thing. I'm not sure which is the case for you here, hopefully you know or can figure it out easily enough.

I did some quick Photoshop work to give the image a bit of a different look that might help. It's very rough, but see if it gives you any ideas. I would definitely have a look at your crop though - it really needs a bit more foreground to sit properly IMO.

Good luck with it /b

[Morne]

looks good
maybe some road markings? Also the verticals are vertical, but in this case I would cheat it. It looks like the buidling tapers out at the top and it should be the other way around (just weird optical illusion)

[beestee]

I think you should get with this client to nail down color scheme/materials at least a little bit. To do this, I would spend a little time in photoshop splitting up the facades and work on several simple color iterations, send them to the client and have them pick a favorite, then you can get an idea of the direction that the client prefers. Perhaps throw in some higher contrast or bold accent color options just to get a better guage on what the client is thinking.

[Neilg]

Get some photos of similar buildings, see how the glass and materials read, have a look at the kind of internal details you see, the colour balance, the street, entrances, everything. The entrance/gate/road in particular.
Look up the architect, find photographs of all their past jobs and have a good look at the detailing.

[glorybound]

are you being commissioned to illustrate or design? I would ask for reference photos and work in steps. I usually model first and have them sign off. Once the modeling is done I ask for colors, materials, and reference photos. After I build the materials I send some quick renders for their approval. After they sign off on colors and I work on lighting.... and then post...

I try to bring them along on the process because they will not be happy unless they are calling the shots (or they think they are).

[prateekvishwa]

Thanks you all! this client is weird.. i asked him what he is not happy with.. rendering quality, colour scheme, illumination or what? he said he dont know what is the problem but it is not matching the sample i provided him earlier. He is now claiming, sample i shown to him is not mywork may be that is why i am not able to match output ! i am shocked.. dont know how to handle this.. See attached sample which i have shown him...

[prateekvishwa]

- thanks for your help Brett! your version is looking better!
- I was doing that earlier 'cubicalgangster' but after his feedback i have sort of lost interest from this project...
- Bobby, i do exactly same.. after modeling i provide them white renders followed by feedback, materials & thn final but in this case since client is new i thought of cracking this somehow with a hope to get addon in my client list.. looks like he is having different plans..

[Neilg]

Lets be honest, that sample you sent him earlier is considerably better than the one he's seeing on this. If the problem is that they're at different stages of the process, you need to explain this and how it works.

Everyone finds a job grueling now and again but you cant just loose interest in working on something which is paying your bills. consistency is what gets repeat clients.

[simmsimaging]

Lets be honest, that sample you sent him earlier is considerably better than the one he's seeing on this. If the problem is that they're at different stages of the process, you need to explain this and how it works.

Everyone finds a job grueling now and again but you cant just loose interest in working on something which is paying your bills. consistency is what gets repeat clients.

Agreed, on both points. It's been my opinion for a long while that it is how you deal with the problem jobs, and problems on the job, that really defines your level of professionalism. Anyone can do it when it's easy

I also agree with Morne about cheating the building. I actually had to check that the verticals were right because something looked a bit odd about the top.

/b

[rivoli]

I also must agree with cubicle.. the sample image is of overall better quality. it's better framed and has a more interesting pov, people look more carefully integrated, and it looks like a lot more love went into materials and lighting. comparing the two, it almost seems that the one you're working on now is not finished yet, but it's wrapped as if it was finished. it kind of lacks personality, where the sample has plenty, if you know what I mean.

[prateekvishwa]

ok, will give it one more try.. what is bothering me is that im not getting proper feedback.. n e ways.. will give it a fresh start & post here something soon..

[rivoli]

I can understand the lack of feedback can be frustrating at times, but I think it can be a good thing too if you see as a chance to fill this big void left by the client with what you would like a dusk shot to look like. after all even the most detailed description from a client it's only a hint, like saying "make it cold outside and warm inside". the actual experience of what that kind of effect will be like, it's totally up to you, that's basically what you do as an illustrator.
it doesn't always work out, but if he doesn't know what he wants, take it as an opportunity to steer the job in a direction you're comfortable with, and try to convince him that's the best way to approach this particular night shot. Brett is absolutely right on this one, anyone can do it if it's easy..

[mcnamex]

we all had almost similar issues somewhere sometimes, so i guess my advice for your image is to adjust camera angles, pick a better composition that frame the subject better. also reduce vert correction dont over do it. all the best