Ivy Generator for 3DS MAX 2019

[glorybound]

So.. If I gave something for free for people, now I have moral responsibility?
No wonder why more and more people stop giving out all together.

Cutting ties out of anger, yes. If he said I am too busy to keep this script updated, I am sorry, then no. However, if he said someone gave me a penny tip, so screw you all, yes. If GrowFX can do it then I'll go down that route.

[JezUK]

So.. If I gave something for free for people, now I have moral responsibility?
No wonder why more and more people stop giving out all together.

Then I despair for humanity.

[gandhics]

I think I remember it was his thesis, wasn't it? There isn't anything else like it, so there are some responsibilities there. I mean, morally, not legally. I am not implying he is an immoral person, but his plugin is used by thousands and now it is broke for people who move past MAX 2018. Again, if you don't want to do the work yourself, you can sell it or open it to other developers. The only other scenario I can think of is he are sticking it to the community.

So.. If I gave something for free for people, now I have moral responsibility?
No wonder why more and more people stop giving out all together.

[Neilg]

I think I remember it was his thesis, wasn't it? There isn't anything else like it, so there are some responsibilities there.

It was thomas luft's thesis - the max version was a conversion of the code by this guruware guy.
The standalone version is still available.
growfx implemented similar but more advanced ivy tools in the same year, 2008.

[glorybound]

I think I remember it was his thesis, wasn't it? There isn't anything else like it, so there are some responsibilities there. I mean, morally, not legally. I am not implying he is an immoral person, but his plugin is used by thousands and now it is broke for people who move past MAX 2018. Again, if you don't want to do the work yourself, you can sell it or open it to other developers. The only other scenario I can think of is he are sticking it to the community.

[gandhics]

Oh come on, this is about the money - Paypal offers many ways of 'donating'. He could have placed a drop down to allow amounts which'd be acceptable, eg $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50 etc.....

Selling stuff and donating things are different; 1) If you want this, this is the price as marked. 2) If you'd like this, here, take it and give what you can. You can only give 0.01 cent ? Here, have it for free. I hope things improve for you....

If this was all about respect, then he is showing none to the people who *have* paid him.

And if he is no longer updating his software, it'd be respectful to inform his *paying* audience that have 'donated'.

(like many of us, I'm constantly amazed at the free generosity of others on ScriptSpot).

Because you donate some money, it doesn't mean he owe you something.
That's also why some dev doesn't go commercial.
Because as soon as you "charge" them, now you have a responsibility to support the product and users expect a lot more(sometime unrealistically more).
I have made some free tools. I never charge or even accept donation because of this.

[Neilg]

I think it's interesting how the 'cg community' can be seen as a single entitiy sometimes. it's full of hundreds of individuals from all economic backgrounds, children to older people and corporations and independant studios. I find these days talk about 'the community' a little odd. this website has one, but there everyone who uses max isnt in the same one.

Anyway we switched over to growfx for our ivy needs. It's a little more involved but has an extra level of control.
Here's a quick demo of someone using it. mute the video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN5vJnzyRTA

[glorybound]

I meant why would he give the source code to the community that pissed him off? Mistakes happen of course ..no one is perfect. i am just saying i understand that guy thatsIf he cared all...no offence of course

Then, he doesn't care about the community, which makes more sense. One thing I always remind myself is, it is about my clients and not about me. I try to put my client's interest over mine, which helps me stay sane and not go Rambo on them.

[PIXELBOX_SRO]

I am not sure I understand. Why would I do what? I said that the penny donation was a mistake. If that person didn't have money to donate then that person wouldn't have given anything. This scenario is exactly why a lot of people don't support 3rd party plugins, the developer can drop support at any time and then they are left hanging. Personally, I got burnt a few years back, with a plugin, and I stopped buying plugins, except for the reputable ones.

I meant why would he give the source code to the community that pissed him off? Mistakes happen of course ..no one is perfect. i am just saying i understand that guy thats all...no offence of course

[glorybound]

I emailed him recently and said we'd happily make quite a sizeable contribution. Sounded like he hasn't totally ruled out bringing it back to life.

Let me know how much and I am a contributor.

[peterguthrie]

I emailed him recently and said we'd happily make quite a sizeable contribution. Sounded like he hasn't totally ruled out bringing it back to life.

[glorybound]

Why the heck would he do that Bobby?

I am not sure I understand. Why would I do what? I said that the penny donation was a mistake. If that person didn't have money to donate then that person wouldn't have given anything. This scenario is exactly why a lot of people don't support 3rd party plugins, the developer can drop support at any time and then they are left hanging. Personally, I got burnt a few years back, with a plugin, and I stopped buying plugins, except for the reputable ones.

[JezUK]

If u guys think this as "money" issue, you will never get back this plugins.
This was about the respect.

He has been contributing so much to max community and never ask money or anything.
All we needed to do was leave him alone.
But, I guess that is hard to do.

I can talk with him. But. it would not be the matter of cost.
And.. I hope he has not seen this thread.

Oh come on, this is about the money - Paypal offers many ways of 'donating'. He could have placed a drop down to allow amounts which'd be acceptable, eg $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50 etc.....

Selling stuff and donating things are different; 1) If you want this, this is the price as marked. 2) If you'd like this, here, take it and give what you can. You can only give 0.01 cent ? Here, have it for free. I hope things improve for you....

If this was all about respect, then he is showing none to the people who *have* paid him.

And if he is no longer updating his software, it'd be respectful to inform his *paying* audience that have 'donated'.

(like many of us, I'm constantly amazed at the free generosity of others on ScriptSpot).

[PIXELBOX_SRO]

Why the heck would he do that Bobby?

I personally understand that guy fully and some more donations would not change my mind if i was him.

Evidently he is sick and tired of the community.

I am selling some stuff on Gumroad and if its not free, people dont download it.
And if the do download it, its marked as "0+" so they can always pitch in with at least a bloody buck if they use it, but noway. We "sold" the free item like 500 times and the income is "0"

I hope he stands his ground and this will be a lesson learned for the spoiled community. Just my two cents and believe me, i need this plug too but i will have to use the GrowFX to do it.

Please anyone, who reads this, its my personal opinion and this should be taken generally...its not pointed towards anyone here.

Just my two cents...

[glorybound]

I don't see anything in this thread that would offend. Personally, I have donated and I know many others who have too. Shame on the person who donated pennies and I can only assume that was a mistake. Heck, if you don't have money then don't donate anything. I can also assume he cares about the 3D community and if the money isn't the issue then maybe open source it so someone else can carry on.