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  • What is Chaos’ goal?

    What is Chaos’ goal?

    Besides making as much bank as possible!

    The reason I ask is watching the developments the company is making, it seems to me that they are trying to undermine part of their customer base. Being an Archiviz company/artist I’m a bit underwhelmed by the latest Vray7 release. There are a couple of nice features for us, but nothing that makes me want to upgrade straight away, which was the case in previous years. At the same time Vray6 has been really nice and stable for us so worth the money. And we’ll upgrade to 7 early next year as it just doesn’t matter financially with a mix of perpetual and subscription licenses. It’s either pay now, or pay later, but either way we’ll be paying so might as well get the latest version.

    But what I am noticing is that there seems to be a concerted effort to build “simple” software packages aimed at “our” clients that will enable them to do more of “our” work. I can say this quite easily because I’m still an active architect managing the design process for large scale public buildings so see on a day-to-day basis how and which software is being used on both sides of the process.

    Vantage somewhat started it, and the most I’ve used it has been to show design options to the team or clients. Vray integration to Enscape bumps the quality a bit, and that is being improved with AI. Not to the level of a decent archviz company, but maybe enough so they might not need images for competition stages and will do it in-house. And now also Envision. I’m still not sure what it actually does which we can’t already do in Max as an archviz firm. But I guess another software package, with simple buttons for AEC companies to create animations and bypassing archviz firms, whilst adding another line item to the billing is always nice.

    So I’m wondering, what is the goal? To continue to build and develop software packages to chip away at the work archviz firms do? As besides some archviz “padding” with scatter, cosmos and some relatively superficial VFB toning, I’m not seeing a lot of improvements that aren’t already part of the AEC move in the other packages.

    At the same time I’m not sure which upgrades would be major for an archviz firm so it’s not an attack. The good archviz firms will continue to develop and improve and have their added value, with the lower end dropping away. As it always does with new developments. Same with AI developments in general. But still curious to hear from Chaos what they see as the future and in how far they see archviz as a customer base. Maybe you don’t?

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    I would be interested also to hear the path forward.
    I always see ads for Envision, Enscape and think the same, why are they biting the hand that feeds them.
    Its a slipper slope for the Arch Viz world, and the major studios are winning but the smaller ones will drop off eventually.
    So I would be interested in hear what is the road map for the future.
    Do Chaos see the Arch Viz tools fading and AI and one button solutions taking over.
    Are we like the print industry, when PCs came in the Print industry was nearly wiped out over night.

    Phil

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    • #3
      Dean
      It must be me and you that have an issue.......Nobody else...............We are trouble makers obviously............

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      • #4
        VRay is no longer an "archviz tool". Remember when VRay got an Oscar? Acquisition of Corona? Merger with Enscape? a lot has changed since "archviz = vray" times.
        Archviz is being served by Chaos with Cosmos, Anima, Corona, Enscape and now Envision. There is something for everybody.
        Everything else is focused mostly on media & entertainment industry and others.
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        • #5
          [QUOTE=dean_dmoo;n1222010][SIZE=10px][FONT=Verdana]and some relatively superficial VFB toning, I’m not seeing a lot of improvements/QUOTE]

          That's your point of view.
          Since the introduction of VFB2 and its features, we have greatly improved our turnaround times because we spend less time in other software packages like Photoshop for drafts.

          Archviz in VRay has evolved to the point there is not much to add. Things like Cosmos are making it easier than ever for the artists.

          https://www.behance.net/Oliver_Kossatz

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          • #6
            "That's your point of view."

            I think I stated this in my post, not sure what other point of view I should be stating when asking a question regarding my point of view. Anyway....

            I'm not specifcally talking about Vray, I see the improvements being made and can understand, and seen via posts and tutorials, how it is improving the workflow in other sectors. My point is, outside of Vray, there seems to be a concerted effort to create/buy plug-and-play software aimed at the AEC sector to make it easier and easier for architects, developers, etc to just plug in their Revit model and create stuff.

            So with that being the case, I'm just asking how they see the future development of that and what role Archviz firms will have...It's not a criticism, just would like to know their insights as if anybody has a good view of the future in this regard it will be Chaos. But I guess no one wants to or can answer that question.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dean_dmoo View Post
              "That's your point of view."

              I think I stated this in my post, not sure what other point of view I should be stating when asking a question regarding my point of view. Anyway....

              I'm not specifcally talking about Vray, I see the improvements being made and can understand, and seen via posts and tutorials, how it is improving the workflow in other sectors. My point is, outside of Vray, there seems to be a concerted effort to create/buy plug-and-play software aimed at the AEC sector to make it easier and easier for architects, developers, etc to just plug in their Revit model and create stuff.

              So with that being the case, I'm just asking how they see the future development of that and what role Archviz firms will have...It's not a criticism, just would like to know their insights as if anybody has a good view of the future in this regard it will be Chaos. But I guess no one wants to or can answer that question.
              I don't think anyone who spends any amount of time on these forums is going to have any interest or ability to answer your questions.
              Chaos is now run by suits, and suits are interested in selling as many licenses as possible to make as much profit as possible.
              James Burrell www.objektiv-j.com
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              • #8
                Originally posted by dean_dmoo View Post

                Archviz in VRay has evolved to the point there is not much to add.
                That's just plain wrong, there's a lot that can still be added. All in all I don't even want new things for now, I want bugs that have been there for 3 years, fixed. Or existing things refined / more artist friendly (environment fog, aerial perspective, just to name a few)

                And Cosmos might be good for the entry level artist to have a sandbox to play in, but if you need very specific/niche materials, or materials that span huge surface areas, specific furniture or trees, you're not going to cut it with Cosmos. I personally used it maybe 3 times in projects for stuff that was way in the background.
                Last edited by Vizioen; 08-02-2025, 06:12 AM.
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                • #9
                  [QUOTE=Vizioen;n1226608]
                  Originally posted by kosso_olli View Post

                  That's just plain wrong, there's a lot that can still be added. All in all I don't even want new things for now, I want bugs that have been there for 3 years, fixed. Or existing things refined / more artist friendly (environment fog, aerial perspective, just to name a few)

                  And Cosmos might be good for the entry level artist to have a sandbox to play in, but if you need very specific/niche materials, or materials that span huge surface areas, specific furniture or trees, you're not going to cut it with Cosmos. I personally used it maybe 3 times in projects for stuff that was way in the background.
                  Same. I have wanted the same updates and fixes for years...It would save me so much time to have things fixed that I know have been worked on but seemingly abandoned. I don't use Vantage or whatever the new thing is...
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