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**dominiquelaksmana** · 07-06-2007, 04:03 AM

i agree about not accusing anyone cheap and fast for using pirated softwares. but you see. vray istelf cost us around S$1200/- left alone max, autocad and photoshop. and those softwares i persume is basic needs for "a good batch of visual". in business, there is what we called turnover, luckily you get all coming back to you in a year. that is if your price is "normal". if your price is way down low, like 1/10th of the usual normal market price, you get 10 years to get it back. and this is totally not a good sign. would anybody invest S$30 000 for software and hardware, and work like hell, and get the money back in 10 years?i guess not.and mind you, computer hardware obsoletes in 2 years time. so does software. so by the time they get those S$30 000 dollars back, they are going to spend it on a new hardware-software and roll for another torturing 10 years. these people are good business people. they won't do that. they are way too clever for that, i know. i am part of their blood. so there is no way they can lay their hands on original softwares (well i don't really give a crap about that). and if these people can't get out of their "mass production" mindset, and start apprceciating themselves for the art that they are producing, whether it's pirated software or not (again, i don't give a rat's ass about it) and not destroying the market, i will keep my mouth shut.
but no, they keep on lowering the price until the market dies, and start to kill another market. trust me, i know. these are fast learning people with a market destroying capability in their hands. if they keep on doing this, they will die, and drag us all (in asia) with them. i guess, i am gonna have to spread my wings, and get as much as i can as for the moment and find other business, or move to london

. don't really know how long this business will last as a descent money generator, but i have a gut feeling, that it will die someday, that as the softwares are getting user friendlier each and everyday, tutorials are everywhere, hardware are way cheaper than last time i remember, all you need is just a mere S$3000, some pirated cds, and determination, a little bit of artistic background, and you set to go. how many people have these factors? many. way too many. hopefully they don't spread to europe and us, because of language barrier. but you know what? they are freakin fast learner.
this is not the only sector that they destroyed recently. you know why USA reject the prawns importer from China? because american fishermans will die. the price is insanely cheap, it will put american fishermans out of business.
this is the country for mass production. you know Clarks shoes? now it's made in china. 2 years ago, when it's still made in England, i can walk so far, yet felt comfortable. now? not anymore. sore feet.
xbox 360? made in china. broken for 4 times, need 4 service, i stop playing.
nike? made in china. stitches came out in 3 months.i threw them away
sony? made in china. *some are made in malaysia, way better.

you guys if you are born in the 70's or before, you will notice, there was a time, when things made in germany rules. at least this is what happened in asia. made in germany : no 1 quality. made in japan : quality no 4. made in taiwan: low quality. now taiwan made products are consider good quality, because germany, japan and other 1st world country stopped producing. i just wish it will happen to china, someday, that they will bring the standard up, start appreciating themselves and others......
will that happen? i doubt it. you know why? they have 1.5 billions heads over there. and growing. for that kind of competition, maybe for them it's not about bringing quality higher, but to show your client how desperate you are to get money. how low can you go? quality is another issue. but low cost is always an issue. that's why all the countries move their production to china. quality? hell no. because it's dirt cheap. i may sound insulting, well, i am. dirt cheap.

**dominiquelaksmana** · 07-06-2007, 04:14 AM

by the way teabag, $20 in the east is still 20. not more

edit: we are still buying 3dmax from autodesk, no special price in asia.

**teabag** · 07-06-2007, 04:53 AM

thats true dominique, but ask that people in some former soviet countries...how much is 20 bucks worth.

i am sure that devoted and organized and marketing/economically thinking people in 3d business will find their way to keep their businesses running...as someone said here in this post..i think it was studioDIM....there r other fields in 3d industry u can start doing, its not just archviz, there r so many advertising agencies hungry for 3d, web is becoming more and more 3d...(just think how many sites r outthere to convert

)....dont panic guys...and dont u even think about quiting your jobs or anything else....youre too good to think about it!!!...future of 3d industry and archviz in particular lies in speed, service, quality communication and flexibility to resolve things on the spot if needed.....should chinese take over....?...that wont happen b4 we die

maybe i think like this as i live in europe and i dont feel such an impact of the chinese 3dafia as u pailhead and dominique

)))))) no offence ...just joking....

...i dont know..i am just not afraid of 3d industry being dead soon for the "westerners"

**teabag** · 07-06-2007, 04:55 AM

and i also think we should leave this topic and focus on problems section instead perhaps?

....or render theory?

PS: by the way....if u consider that this forum is free to read for every warez monkey, no wonder they get better day by day

**dominiquelaksmana** · 07-06-2007, 05:10 AM

all you need to do is register bro, and you are free to read. not post, just read. but that's enough ain't it?

**teabag** · 07-06-2007, 05:24 AM

yep.....kinda sad if u consider how many topics and problems get sorted here.....no wonder that warez monkeys can get better if they have the source so easily accessible

**mikeeee2** · 07-06-2007, 08:48 AM

I think the point that is being missed here is the cost of labor. In the US, at least, the most expensive part of my rig is me. I am paid a “fair” wage for the work I do in the area I do it. If my firm could find a market that pays 10X what we currently chare, you bet your bippy, they would do it. This is the situation that a lot of firms in china are facing. They can charge sub US prices and pay above average salaries to their artists and look like heroes to their American clients and their Chinese employees. There are even visualization firms based in the US setting up shops in china to handle production while the market a sometimes superior product at a very competitive price. If I could live on $100/month then my firm would adjust my salary downward along w/ their prices and get more work but sadly I live here and to retain my services they have to pay a competitive wage for the area.

I’m not saying that this is good or bad but it is the reality of the situation. Yes, software piracy is an issue, but when you have smart, talented people who can work for $5/hr the market will find a way to use that labor. Until world markets even out the playing field then I will have to find the clients that haven’t figured out that out sourcing is an option, make my work so valuable that a client can’t think of not using me or change the direction of my carrier. As it is I have seen the focus of my work change from finished renders to speed charrett modeling and animation. If I can go to a clients office, sit w/ him face to face and bang out good product in a week I have a service that is unique in the industry and can’t be duplicated by an off shore firm for $5/hr. But I’d be damned if I told any of my competition about this service…. Damn

Oh well
mike

**Neilg** · 07-06-2007, 09:50 AM