HYPER GI

[Long John]

lol, sure thats not completly wrong.

notepad seem to be quiet stable.

[3dform]

lol, sure thats not completly wrong.

notepad seem to be quiet stable.

Do man that one on your table made out of wood?

robert

[Basse]

Flickerfree GI animation?

Is that any new?

What bothers me the most with their movie is that they don't say anything about the rendertime. And that the compared it to a movie that doesn't even have GI in...hmmm...don't really see the point.

I like the result, don't get me wrong on that but a very strange and bad way of showing their Hyper-GI.

In Stage-0 they have something called fR-animtion. A GI engine that was more optimized for GI animation. They could have atleast compared with that and showed both the difference when it comes to quality and rendertime.

Well well....we just have to wait and see.

My 2 cents.

[Long John]

Matt Clementson (a Betatester) told on the fR forum that Stage-1 will be much more then twice as fast as Stage-0 for GI renderings.

[mike_kennedy]

Twice as fast only? I hope for thier sake it's faster than that. Stage-0 was really slow....

[Palee]

Guys, is it really needed?!

As i read the posts, i see nothing more then chucking mud...
I saw *beautiful* images done with vray, brazil, mentalray ... even finalrender.
The customers choice which one he/she prefers. He/she can believe in the sample pix, rendertimes, applicability and so on, even the promises...
It's the customer's business...

Hyping against renderers, makes the cove deeper between to sides, although not the software makes a *good* artist you know...

Friendly regards (even for cebas... )

Palee

[RErender]

Saying that the other renderers are slow is not "chucking mud" it is a fact!

This is the V-Ray forum not the "all renderers are the same" forum and we are the costomers.

The rifts are due to things other than users honest opinions in my honest opinion , Lastly I agree that the tools don't make the artist but acrylics are so much easier to work with than oils


btw V-Ray is the best plugin renderer for Max!

[Palee]

Saying that the other renderers are slow is not "chucking mud" it is a fact!

You're right. My prob was not this fact, but the HOW this fact was told.
(Anyway, I have to say, these posts are amazingly cultivated yet, but such a topic like this tend to degenerate in the most...)

This is the V-Ray forum not the "all renderers are the same" forum and we are the costomers.

Thanks to clarify where I am... (joking...)

Lastly I agree that the tools don't make the artist but acrylics are so much easier to work with than oils

You will probably laugh, but a near variation of your "fact" beget a big hostility in the academy where I've learned.

btw V-Ray is the best plugin renderer for Max!

Simply true!

Best regards,

Palee

[RErender]

, Big Hug

[Long John]

Guys, is it really needed?!

As i read the posts, i see nothing more then chucking mud...
I saw *beautiful* images done with vray, brazil, mentalray ... even finalrender.
The customers choice which one he/she prefers. He/she can believe in the sample pix, rendertimes, applicability and so on, even the promises...
It's the customer's business...

Hyping against renderers, makes the cove deeper between to sides, although not the software makes a *good* artist you know...

Friendly regards (even for cebas... )

Palee

you don´t have to read or comment it.
when people like to talk about this who are you to complain?

although not the software makes a *good* artist you know...

.....and the night is dark.
i think we all heard this a million times.

so im sure you use 3d max 1, because it is cheap and better software would not help you.

[Palee]

Dear Mr Long John, a big sorry if I could break your self-respect! (But I don't think, to wrote right to you...)

If you understood my words (not just read), you probably know, why I wrote what I wrote...

And if you mind, and this ominous comment hurts your eyes, just tell Vlado or Peter to delete it.

so im sure you use 3d max 1, because it is cheap and better software would not help you.

I'm happy that you are sure in something...

Friendly regards,

Palee

[Fermi]

Hi Palee,

You are right asking respect for everybody... even for cebas.

Good as cebas software no doubt is, they have a problem IMO, and this is Edwin's or whoever desigh their HM (Hyper Marketing) strategy, except for the people already converted (in a religious sense), it is seen as hilarious because of the exageration, and don't really believe it achieves it's goal i.e. convert new belivers.

One thing I can say about this Hyper GI thing, and it is that they failed somewhat, meaning I honestly think I could have lit the NON Hyper GI scene much much worse than they've done!

OK, happy weekend everybody

Fermí

[Long John]

when you read between the lines, you will see that a release date for stage-1 is still 12-14 weeks ahead.

a few of the core features are in the beta for only a few weeks, if the information from stage-1 betatester are right.

i think peter and vlado should extend the time for the "vray for stage-0 user" offer.

if stage-1 is not released in the next 4 weeks you will see many more unsatisfied stage-0 user who want to switch.

it would be a good idea to have a final 1.1 version of vray to make the offer even more attractive.

[Gunnah]

Well, I find this quite hard to believe We might razz people sometimes, and I dont recall *anyone* ever getting banned for comparing vray/brazil/fR. In fact, the only time I've seen people banned, is if they a: admit they're using a crack, or b: mouth off at anyone in the channel for no good reason. We all know each has it's own strengths, etc. (well, 'cept for fR, cause nobody's allowed to talk about it Trust me, we're not *that* lame to ban someone for that

G

On the fR forum one can hardly mention another renderer without being threatened to be banned ...

on the brazil forum you can not mention vray or fR without some "polemic" comment from Richard Annema or Captain Drewbie.

even if you want to discuss about render technologie.
he always manage to give the impression brazil does it way better or when brazil does not offer this feature.... then it is not usefull at all.

visit their chat and ask about some features vray offers and brazil does not have, you will see what i mean. LOL

not to mention that they have banned people from their forum ( the days brazil had a frequented forum) who dare to compare brazil with vray or fR.

i dare to say something against brazils speed and i made the mistake not to agree after a little discussion, so i was banned.
no personal attacks from my side!
i was asked if im a amateur and if i can use a rendere good enough to make use of brazil at all but i only gave my impression about brazil.
i was banned for that. tztz.... lame.

[Long John]

Well, I find this quite hard to believe We might razz people sometimes, and I dont recall *anyone* ever getting banned for comparing vray/brazil/fR. In fact, the only time I've seen people banned, is if they a: admit they're using a crack, or b: mouth off at anyone in the channel for no good reason. Trust me, we're not *that* lame to ban someone for that

thats simply not true!
maybe you don´t know what edwin is doing? thats the case i think.

the "problem" is that edwin has enough time to delete all postings, even while stage-1 is so late.

i think we have a few other reader of the fR forum here who will say that im right. you get banned for simply comparing vray with fR, pointing user in the direction of vray, or making comments about the total lack of informations.

only 2-3 days ago edwin deletes two postings from users who told someone to use vray when he needs a fast renderer and as longs as stage-1 is not released. i don´t saw any new postings from them and i bet the account was deleted (Frank Hams or so and another guy).

that a few splutterfishes are a bit "overproud" and can not see anything good in other products, does not makes cebas behavior any better.