Little discussion on the Brazil forum.

[Long John]

I fully agree with Natty.
in the end everyone chooses what it best fits their work......after all is still one cg community..just different tools to achieve/strive for the same result....
paul.

no question.
but how that fits into the context of the replys janus got at the SF forum?

[cpnichols]

my 5 cents:

i don´t know how they behave when you are a splutterfish customer.
but to me the splutterfish guys always seem to be a bunch of arrogant peeps.

The two main characters that I have met and spoken with, and drunk with, Scott and Steve, are realy nice guys. One thing that Steve always tells me, is that he has great respect for the Vray guys, and wishes that Vlado and him could work together at some point. Vlado and Peter are equaly really nice guys. I can't wait to see them at Siggraph. The impact of their work is starting to stretch way beyond the 1 and 2 man architectural rendering shops, so they are starting to get really busy business wise. I am sure that both places are starting to feel some serious growing pains.

[peter008]

Sorry to say so, but when i read some of their comments i have to agree with long john.

[mike_kennedy]

I couldn't disagree more with the fellow who said the splutter fish guys are arrogant. Anyone who has meet them knows they are great guys and if you look back at the raytracer in max and all the free Blur plug-ins and shaders, almost none of that would have existed for free without Scott and Steve.
Vlado and Peter are another fine example of this with VRAY free and Simcloth being given away freely.

I prefer Vray to Brazil because I find the GI faster, but Brazil does create some beautiful images too.
I think you'll find that brazil is more focused on the FX market and if you look at the Vray Images section on this forum you will find that Vray seems to be focused on Arch viz, though I have used it for Medical and Games as well and we have all seen the great work Red Rover and DD are doign in TV and Film.

You can compare features all day long, but in the end Vray and brazil are very different and very the same...so it's a waste of time talking about it when you could be out actually making money with one of the other or making art you enjoy...

At the end of the day you use what ever makes you money........

[trixian]

Is this a discussion on the creators of Brazil or the people on the splutterfish forum in general? Seems some might be confused (including me).

[peter008]

the point is that everything Brazil has is better then anything other renderer offer and everything Brazil lacks (3d motion blur , displacement, irraddiance map) is bad or not useable.

thats what you hear from the fishes all the time.

janus examples shows, that when they know that brazil is not able to do it, they declare the whole question is stupid/trolling not a real life problem.

at the same moment they come up with a even more stupid example to show that brazil has some points too (just visited the forum and saw the last image posting of supperune).

[Dschaga]

That cloister scene shows nothing.
It's so far away from RL scenes that i don't even want to dL and start tweaking it.

Go and get you a scene which is challenging (and maybe modeled by yourself) and which shows your skills on 3d and then go to the brazil forum, if you want to piss on them. ..which is something NO1 here wants!

[peter008]

That cloister scene shows nothing.
It's so far away from RL scenes that i don't even want to dL and start tweaking it.

you speak for yourself, fine.
but i believe there is a reason why it was posted by vlado.

[vlado]

That cloister scene shows nothing.
It's so far away from RL scenes that i don't even want to dL and start tweaking it.

you speak for yourself, fine.
but i believe there is a reason why it was posted by vlado.

Hehe. I think there was no particular reason; someone posted an image rendered in POVRay and wondered if VRay can achieve a similar result, so that was my response. You can see from the many posts on the forum that typical real-life cases are much more complicated in terms of modelling, lighting and shading.

Best regards,
Vlado

[peter008]

sure.
but you can also see that many people are interested in such comparisations.

povray <-> vray <-> brazil <-> ....

you posted the vray result others react strange.

[vlado]

you posted the vray result others react strange.

That's because I myself like comparisons and challenges

Best regards,
Vlado

[Dschaga]

You say that you are having problems with photons, and can get things setup in V-Ray, and then challenge others to do this in Brazil r/s.

comparisons and challenges are fine, it's only the question why you request something and the way you do it.
Troll is a good choice ...btw

[jedisalf]

they are all good, some better at doing stuff than others and Visa versa.

"visa versa" ?, hey!, you better give away your 5 cents in metallic, not credit.

hehehe, just kidding :P

If you dont mind my newbie input, since im just staring to learn 3dMAX and Vray.

This discussions are nonsense, like ATI-Nvidia, AMD-Intel, Apple-Microsoft(PC) etc, etc.....

Truth is that hardcore users wont change their minds about their brands, and they will always defend those, in a viased way, is hard to get an "objective" opinion, so at the end, the best software or hardware will be the one you feel better with.

Bottomline, this are just tools, and we are the ones who put them in use, so if you know how to handle this tools, you sure will get excelent results, no matter what brand or type is it.

PS: Vray rules! :P

[cocolas]

[quote]

The two main characters that I have met and spoken with, and drunk with, Scott and Steve, are realy nice guys. One thing that Steve always tells me, is that he has great respect for the Vray guys, and wishes that Vlado and him could work together at some point.

hehe....maybe the final solution would be a union of the two, into the ubber/ultimate renderer!! :P :P ...hehehe.......then you can forget about all the others.....


but I do agree jedisalf, that ultimatly the artist has to get that tool/program to work and that one can get ecxelent results w/ whichever tool one is using......it's a matter of personal preference and the job at hand.
As for the people on the brazil forums: like here, most of them are excellent artists and also very helpful......both when I was a beta user as well as a full version registered user......I got help and answers in no time. The only difference is that for some reason that forum isn't nearly as active as this one......this forum is probably the most active I've seen....but other then that they are all good.

paul.

[trixian]

Well registered Brazil users have their very own "vip" section of the forum that others can't even read, so that may contribute to the seemingly dead forum activity.
Ps: I am very glad this forum is not segregated like that. Once in a while one gets a few unwelcome postings, but the benefit far surpasses that i think.