3ds max 2018 will ship with Arnold in place of Mental Ray

[Mokiki]

If you read the comments on cgpress where one Autodesk employee defends the 2018 release. I find the explanation for this "lackluster" release it pretty insulting.
Stating that you can't make everyone happy is obviously true but cheering bug fixes and improvements on broken features as great reasons to upgrade is laughable at best.
When you introduce new features in a major release and or break others you are obligated to fix those and not let people pay for the fixes a year later.

[Alex_M]

anyone else tried max 2018? some problems i knew existed in 2017 stil exist in 2018 even after it was reported at the same time 2017 came out, well as reported to me by 3 people so far, then i wonder did they make real change other than add arnold which i hear also is really slow

I did. I opened it and after 2 min I closed it with no intentions of using it. The interface bugs alone are enough for me to skip this service pack of a release.

[lukx]

All is similar to what happened to intel. High prices no big tech jumps and BAM we get RYZEN happen

[Ihno]

All is similar to what happened to intel. High prices no big tech jumps and BAM we get RYZEN happen

If only leaving max could be such an easy task as change the processor of your computer.

[PIXELBOX_SRO]

we have to face it ....we will get SHIT!!!
if you have a look across the internet there is not much happening...no real protests (apart from that petition), no action
they will just get away with it and they know it

i will not be the one who will shout here that i will make a jump to Blender or Houdini or C4D.....no fuc... chance i coudl convert TB of assets (someone said its very easy through script....LOL), force my workers to start learning something from scratch.etc...
I will have to stick to MAX as long as i have this company or leave the business (not an option)
And whats worse...i really love working with max although its buggy...Its like staying married knowing your wife is cheating
Bummed and screwed over from AD totally

So staying on maintenance with our 3 licences and renting an extra 1 and i will have to raise the pricing somewhat to cover the costs

[mitviz]

ok i wish i could start some pole here to ask the majority of you which software you will jump ship to, already some have said to c4d that i know, would like to know for the rest of you where, does C4d have issues like what max does with autodesk?

[Steve_Green]

It's amazing how a company can operate like this - look at the enthusiasm users have for companies that supply other software, Pixologic, Chaos Group, Redshift, SideFX.

I can't think of a software company that alienates their users as much as Autodesk.

I'm an old fart, so remember it wasn't always this way - I've no idea when the rot set in though.

[mitviz]

It's amazing how a company can operate like this - look at the enthusiasm users have for companies that supply other software, Pixologic, Chaos Group, Redshift, SideFX.

I can't think of a software company that alienates their users as much as Autodesk.

I'm an old fart, so remember it wasn't always this way - I've no idea when the rot set in though.

big difference here is sometimes the owner of these companies themselves will mail you when you have problems, the owners are active and present

[SteveC]

It's amazing how a company can operate like this - look at the enthusiasm users have for companies that supply other software, Pixologic, Chaos Group, Redshift, SideFX.

I can't think of a software company that alienates their users as much as Autodesk.

I'm an old fart, so remember it wasn't always this way - I've no idea when the rot set in though.

They operate like this because they know they can. They know that they can pretty much do as they please
because their users are shackled to them in more than one way. Who wants to go through retraining on another
software package, convert all their assets to a different format, lose all that time and money already spent
on autodesk, invest in additional plugins etc.

It's a step into the unknown for a lot of people, but I feel it's step that needs to be taken. I'm currently learning
C4D for my transition from Max, I couldn't tell you why C4D, I've never used any other 3D package apart from
3DS Max, so I went for the one I heard the most about and that has Vray available for it.

I think it's time to have a serious discussion on what the options are for moving away from 3DS Max/Autodesk.
What are the pro's and con's of other software packages ?
What's the learning curve like ?
Is Vray available for it ?
Can it do the things I can do in Max, some way, especially regarding the ability some plugins afford you such as Forest Pro, Rail Clone, PSD Manager,
if not can you live without them ?

[Mokiki]

All is similar to what happened to intel. High prices no big tech jumps and BAM we get RYZEN happen

Sure but that was just Intel saving money and being lazy. It took AMD a really long time to catch up.
Not wanting to defend intel. I am happy that AMD released a powerful new CPU. Hopefully now we go back to the times where AMD and Intel try to one up each other.

Sadly it will take some more time for Autodesk to feel threatened by the competition. :/

[mitviz]

They operate like this because they know they can. They know that they can pretty much do as they please
because their users are shackled to them in more than one way. Who wants to go through retraining on another
software package, convert all their assets to a different format, lose all that time and money already spent
on autodesk, invest in additional plugins etc.

It's a step into the unknown for a lot of people, but I feel it's step that needs to be taken. I'm currently learning
C4D for my transition from Max, I couldn't tell you why C4D, I've never used any other 3D package apart from
3DS Max, so I went for the one I heard the most about and that has Vray available for it.

I think it's time to have a serious discussion on what the options are for moving away from 3DS Max/Autodesk.
What are the pro's and con's of other software packages ?
What's the learning curve like ?
Is Vray available for it ?
Can it do the things I can do in Max, some way, especially regarding the ability some plugins afford you such as Forest Pro, Rail Clone, PSD Manager,
if not can you live without them ?

does C4d have issues with management like autodesk?

[PIXELBOX_SRO]

the discussion about MAX 2018 is far far smaller on the Corona Forum btw...no topic about jumping ship etc

[Mokiki]

the discussion about MAX 2018 is far far smaller on the Corona Forum btw...no topic about jumping ship etc

We have standards. :PPPPPPP

[SteveC]

does C4d have issues with management like autodesk?

I really couldn't tell you to be honest, but it's a good idea for further looking into, to see if the
C4D users have any gripes with the company or the software.

[Mokiki]

I really couldn't tell you to be honest, but it's a good idea for further looking into, to see if the
C4D users have any gripes with the company or the software.

I don't remember exactly which forum but it was one of the bigger C4D ones and I think it was around the time Cinema4d introduced a new cogwheel procedural object or so were a lot of people complained about the lack of innovation with the software and issues regarding mograph not getting fixed or extended.

I am pretty sure you have these discussions a lot. Heck go on the foundry forum and you'll see unhappy people with modo/mari/nuke etc.