seemingly seamless/tiled patterns

[davision]

Lazy? Are you kidding? You're the one that doesn't want to sit down and do the work. How is he the one being lazy?

And yes, there is such thing as a competitive advantage (edge) -- just because you aren't capable of understanding that, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

People spend valuable time trying to learn something and don't necessarily want to share the fruits of their labors with every other person in the same business. While some individuals do share everything and that's admirable, it's definitely not a requirement, it shouldn't be 'expected' and there shouldn't be any ill will towards someone who keeps a little information to himself.

I can only assume you're a card-carrying member of the the "entitlement" generation. Keep up that attitude, buddy -- you won't go far.

BTW, I'm not from LA. I just live here now. I'm not quite sure how my location has relevance anyway. Stop judging people without any facts, moron.

[paulison]

While i agree davision, your post reads like you are more than slightly amped up over this. :P

I appreciate the fact that he went to so much effort just to share as much as he did and would like the challenge to learn how to get as good grass myself. I agree that if someone does all of the hard work for you then you aren't learning anything.

By sharing it, you are saving other people time and therefore they are profiting from this. Many people on this forum work in the industry and would use it professionally. I can understand helpdesks opinion in a forum where the software was freeware and the work people were producing is for a hobby but with a commercial product i think it is completely unresonable to EXPECT to be given any help at all. Be grateful for anything you can get...

we don't all have to be helpdesks.... Its a choice and it isnt lazyness to decide not to spoonfeed others. Personally i think his description of the process is almost spoonfeeding anyway and was very helpful.

To me it sounded like helpdesk was complaining about the trouble it will take him to create a similar grass in order to help others...if this is the case, why bother?

[davision]

I agree with your thoughts, Paulison.

As for me, I wasn't particularly amped. I simply get annoyed by ingrates with no sense of perspective. He was criticizing someone who had already offered up a good deal of help.

I guess it's hard for helpdesk to understand that FREE ice cream sundaes don't always have a cherry on top.

[DrJan]

I seriously start to wonder how you got access to this forum, because it seems like you want everything for free....

His description is clear and it shouldn't take that long to recreate it if you understand just a bit. I understand that he doesn't want to share it...

[Neilg]

Personally i think his description of the process is almost spoonfeeding anyway and was very helpful.

Haha, thanks. I thought it was getting a bit much before all this kicked off.

If you dont do something yourself you'll never learn it, and if you dont care about learning it then I dont care about helping you out. Catch 22

[helpdesk]

Wow..I think I have stepped on someone's feelings here. Sorry for even saying anything. It is my nature to help out others that are either starting out professionally or even the hobbists. Seems people everywhere...even hobbyists now want to recoup every second they spend trying to figure out something new. It's ashame that we don't get paid for every good idea, thought or hour we spend figuring out stuff for our profession, but that's the way it is. Why do you think China..etc is getting alot of our jobs? Because we are too expensive trying to cover all overhead including training...new software...etc. Yes, some of the shops over there are legit btw...I know that arugment. Who's paying extra for you to figure out great grass or a great shader in general? I suppose I should charge extra for that script that does something real nifty too? Do they come to you asking you just to do that...of course not. Very nice to share your process rhetorically. I was just wondering why be so critical of people that ask for help? They aren't gonna steal business away from you because they have great grass!! It all boils down to the persons artistic expertise, price and time to deliver the product contracted for in the end. Yes, Everyone needs to put the time in to learn their craft.... but don't charge for your experimentation and the time it took for you to learn it! The client's won't pay for that unless you bury it somehow!

Helpdesk is my forum name....Doesn't have anything to do with what I do for a living.
I have to go create some procedural rock materials now so I can sell them!


And Davison....Your a real "Cherry" I wasn't asking for #$!t...It must be that time of the month for you!...hehe Pamprin will help!

[davision]

Ok, helpdesk, I'll try the Pamprin. I trust you've found it assistive in the past.

And since you're doling out recommendations, I'll suggest you find some books on basic economic theory, the nature of competition, intellectual property, opportunity costs, exchange rates and business management since your "analysis" indicates your understanding of these topics is barely above first grade level.

You might argue "they don't cover these subjects in first grade". Of course, that's exactly my point.

[helpdesk]

You are an idiot as I suspected......I won't waste anymore time with you, as I can tell you are a "I will have the last to say!" kinda guy/gal.

[Neilg]

Seems people everywhere...even hobbyists now want to recoup every second they spend trying to figure out something new.

Problem is, i'm not a hobbyist and this was done in work time. It's not a question of not being able to recoup something - I cannot give anything I create in work away.

[helpdesk]

But in the earlier post you gave away intellectual property didn't you? Doesn't matter..thanks for sharing with everyone!
All the best............

[giraffe]

One is for light and dark versions of the diffuse
One is for the mix between the light and dark on the diffuse
One is for the light and dark shades of displacement (the detail maps, that actually gets displaced)
And the last one is for the mix between the two shades of displacement.

thanks a lot
I am a bit confused.
so your diffuse maps are not only colored version of your displacement maps. right?
I thought u only had one dark bitmap, lighter of same texture, mix map and their black-white versions for displacement.

[BiTcH]

thanks a lot
I am a bit confused.
so your diffuse maps are not only colored version of your displacement maps. right?
I thought u only had one dark bitmap, lighter of same texture, mix map and their black-white versions for displacement.

Following Giraffe.....and back to the important grass settings ...

[Neilg]

But in the earlier post you gave away intellectual property didn't you? Doesn't matter..thanks for sharing with everyone!

Interesting point - does the boss own everything about the method, the idea of which was had in my own time, but put into practice and tested during work...
(Yes, I really was at home thinking up a way to make a map that would never tile... my mind wanders when I cook)

Most of the time was put into getting the maps right anyway - making them tilable/colour correcting/experimenting with values, which is why ive not shared any (useful) numbers or maps.

Giraffe/bitch - I'm not sure what you're asking, i'm getting confused... If you give it a shot and show me where you're getting stuck I'll be able to help.

[pixelstudio]

why don't you post the maps makes life much easier hehe

[Neilg]

Because my boss and 3 guys I work with read this forum

Theyre all from cgtextures.com - just with a couple of hours photoshop and some experimenting.