V-Ray standalone 64bits + MAYA + OS X

[DaForce]

Aneurisma:
haha, right. So your 100% sure about that are you. I hate to tell you but your totally wrong about this one.
http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=14922
http://www.insanelygreatmac.com/news.php?id=4944

All CURRENT G5's are infact single core, and the new 970MP chips will be dual core. Assuming they even release them after signing the deal to go with Intel CPU's in the future. And they are not penciled in for release until 3rd Quarter 2005
Also Apple has been producing Intel builds of OSX for 5 years now.

Maybe it is you who should be doing the reading

percydaman:
See my links above, it clearly stats that the current G5's are single and the new ones will be dual. Turns out when I read things....im still right heheheh

[Aneurisma]

Dual Core

Well, DaForce... guess you're right... that article of yours is impossible do deny... but, wait a bit... IT'S DATED FROM JULY/2004 HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

July 23, 2004 - Although Apple has only this year begun shipping G5 Power Macs and Xserves with the PowerPC 970FX processor, IBM plans to raise the bar with the chip's successor, a dual-core processor code-named "Antares," well-placed sources told Think Secret.
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/antares.html

The most recent one says:

The PowerPC 970MP microprocessor contains dual 64-bit microprocessor cores, double L2 caches (1MB each), and a Processor Interface (PI) bus arbiter operating above the Gigahertz speed range.

and at Apple website, in the tech specs area says:

Technical Specifications (http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html)

Processing

* Single 1.8GHz, dual 2.0GHz, dual 2.3GHz or dual 2.7GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 microprocessors
* PowerPC processor architecture with 64-bit data paths and registers
* Native support for 32-bit application code
* 512K on-chip L2 cache running at processor speed
* Parallel data structure supporting up to 215 simultaneous in-flight instructions
* Simultaneous issue of up to 10 out-of-order operations
* Dual-pipeline Velocity Engine for 128-bit single-instruction, multiple-data (SIMD) processing
* Two independent double-precision floating-point units
* Advanced three-stage branch-prediction logic
* One 600MHz or two 1GHz, 1.15GHz or 1.35GHz 64-bit DDR frontside busses supporting up to 21.6 GBps data throughput
* Point-to-point system controller

and by the way, Apple's first version of an OS for x86 family is codenamed Rhapsody and dated from 85, but never came out because the windowing system at that point (mac os was still ROM based on the old MAC processors and emulating that on intel machines was incredibly slow. If you search well you can find a copy that somehow leaked from their labs... but you probably don't want, huh?!

Cheers buddy.

Aneurisma

[DaForce]

Aneurisma:
Yes its an oldish article but the info is still correct! And has there been any significant hardware changes since July last year.... well No
You will notice that in both of them say that the dual-core G5's are due out soon. where as infact it wont be coming out at all.

To confirm this further i took the liberty to call a Local Apple store, and confirm that no Dual Core G5's are on sale at the moment (as they dont really exist). And probabaly never will be because they are moving to intel. The intel chips might very well be Dual Core but that isnt a G5 now is it

One question tho. You have highlighted this
"Two independent double-precision floating-point units" is that what you were refering to when you said "Dual-Core"
Which is some what irrelevant to our argument, as that has nothing to do with dual core cpu's. Is that what you meant all along and you just got dual core and "Two independent double-precision floating-point units" mixed up?
If so then all is forgiven. And we can both agree that Dual-Core G5's are not out and probabaly wont be coming out.

[Da_elf]

hehe. well. apple has been known to stick its foot in its mouth. i remember when they once had a press conference to unveil their new G4 chip as being the 1st desktop computer with a 64bit chip in it. then someone at the press conference clued them into the fact that boxx technologies already had a 64bit decktop on the market for a few months now and not only that it was a dual 64 bit machine while the 1st set of G4 machines were all single processor. lol. wish i could find that document now.

[DaForce]

HAHAAH yes, i remember that. And Apples comment was that they dont class it as a desktop workstation computer or something, they said it was a server. what a load of BS. hehehe
It doesnt really matter what APPLE class something as, its what it IS that counts.

[Da_elf]

yeah apple classes their computers as good machines. but what it IS is a piece of......but hey. i digress hehe. cant wait for vray64 now that ive got my daul opteron and should be getting winxp64 soon

[DaForce]

I concur

hehehehe
What i find hilarious is the Apple's marketing
"G5 is great, all powerfull, best cpu ever..blah blah blah..hype hype" Then they realise that the G5's are not the bee's knees and they do a 360 and go with Intel. But still will be marketing the G5's into the ground.

Sugar coated crapsicle anyone?


<edit> hahah Da_Elf your sig is hilarious. i guess they cant read.

[percydaman]

I found apples marketing crapola on their website hilarious... It was quoting all kinds of benchmarks where they kicked the crap out of intel cpus all over the place... like on 2 OR 3 apps! I cant even begin to count all the benchmark articles that showed both intel and amd wasting apple on the vast majority of benchmarks... Oh well, its apple, I expect nothing less....

[Da_elf]

problem is that alot of school originally used mac for graphics based programs. and because of its long history of being in the class rooms tonnes of schools still go with mac. basically students comming out of school have sort of been brain washed. so when they start working they work on mac. so companies buy mac's for the graphics people to use. so the schools continue to train on macs. and the cycle goes on and on. i wouldnt be supprised if mac gives huge discounts to educational institutions in order to keep people using mac.

[percydaman]

ya when I tell people what I do, they frequently ask me if I use macs since "they" heard macs are the best for graphics.... I always tell them that other then a few exceptions, macs got outstripped by others for general graphics works years ago...

[Aneurisma]

Ok, DaForce, I must admit you're right and all that dual core thing was no more than a crappy marketing thing. I always advocated for "the best tool for the job" and since I've been doing a lot of motion graphics, video editing and DVD auth., most of my recent work comes from macs and somehow I let myself to be seduced by the company's discourse... completely my fault!
I use both platforms at work though and I've been using MAX since version 1 (not to mention 3D studio for DOS) and until the G5s I never had any hope of using 3D apps on a mac, but I'd also prefer to have all my shit together in one machine, instead of buying more and more hardware, invest more in software and, let's be honest: windows is not that much nicer either!
Anyway, you win (this time! )

Cheers, man.

Aneurisma

PS: By the way, I haven't heard an answer from the Chaos Group people...

[jujubee]

What Da_Elf is saying is completely true. I used to work at Berkely College of Music - all the machines there were Macs because Apple gave them to the schools. They also gave the students discounts on Macs so this is what they have when they graduate.

That being said, I do like the latest G5s (sans price tag) as I've used them for page layout on a regular basis. The duals are pretty fast and they crash a whole lot less than OS9.1 (which many publishing companies still surprisingly use.) They do rock and I wouldn't be so apt to put them down.

[jujubee]

all that dual core thing was no more than a crappy marketing thing

Dude...there was never a dual core 'marketing thing.' Dual processor yes.

By the way, I haven't heard an answer from the Chaos Group people...

I don't like to speak for them but I think they have bigger tasks ahead of them for now. Mac/Linux support is probably way down the road with a big possible 'no' stamped all over it.

[Aneurisma]

The duals are pretty fast and they crash a whole lot less than OS9.1 (which many publishing companies still surprisingly use.) They do rock and I wouldn't be so apt to put them down.

I wouldn't put them down either, not only because I own one but because I remember how many times a day I had to restart my pc because of a crash and how many times I lost hours of work after one app closed or froze on my ol'fella PC. and after owing a mac for a couple yers now I can still count on my fingers the times it happened even dealing with files of over 60 Gb. When I said I'd like to have all my shit together in one box I was still talking about my mac.

Aneurisma

[Aneurisma]

Dude...there was never a dual core 'marketing thing.' Dual processor yes.

By the way, I haven't heard an answer from the Chaos Group people...

I don't like to speak for them but I think they have bigger tasks ahead of them for now. Mac/Linux support is probably way down the road with a big possible 'no' stamped all over it.

Dude, yes there was and I once showed Apple's website here at work to some guys on the same subject. They had a webpage with a picture of the new IBM facilities and stuff and a diagram of the dual core processor and everything! I might have been fooled but my memory still works! It's probably not surprising to you guys that the pages I'm talking about are not there anymore as well as the only ocurrences about dual core in their databases reffer to some old G4 plan... anyway, It doesn't hurt since chaos started a topic to talk about future developments to say a yes or no and if you can't speak for them, so... just don't, dude!

Aneurisma