Question about 3dsmax R3

[cocolas]

I use Viz4

Gonçalo

same here!!!.......we all use it at work (about 15 to 20 licences)


paul.

[Eldar]

Using Max 4.2

[Da_elf]

max4 here

[rgbxyz]

I do not think that waiting an additional one year for the initial promised release is considered support. Support of what? Buggy software? Incomplete software?

I paid for the real thing. Not a freebie (which I don't understand). Not a demo, not an edu, not the basic, but the advanced.

Why anyone thinks it is unreasonable for someone like myself to stay with a solid release (v3) and in turn expect that VRay honor their commitments is beyond me.

That this issue rears it's head now- after this additional one year wait, makes one wonder what else will not happen in the future. What next will be 'promised' and go unfulilled? Or take an additional year after the stated release date?

I've been in biz for close to forty years- I won't be typing this right now if I didn't fullfil my obligations that I made to my customers over the years. I would be out of business.

Lastly, here's some advice I got from a very successful business man some twenty years ago when I went out on my own. When it comes to work load, don't ever hire another person till you absolutely have to. Then, don't hesitate, do it.

If all this sounds like I'm very frustrated it's because when things like this happen and variations on theme have happened in over the years it raises a one big red flag.

That's not just my .02- those are also my dollars in VRay's pockets, Federal Reserve Notes...collecting interest, somewhere... Shall we have a discussion of exchange rates? Cost of living? Sheesh!

Peter

[Dman3d]

Max 5.1 and migrating all seats to 6

[Greg3D]

Activeley using Max 5.x right now. We have Max 6 installed on all workstations, but we won't transition until we can replace all of the recompiled plugins that we normally use.

As for you supporting Max 3 or 4, I think that's very unrealistic for anyone to expect that of you.

[ravexl]

Max 4 and 5, no reason or plans to go to 6, I was pretty dissapointed with the release overall, but that's a whole different topic. :P

[RErender]

I have to say, though it would suck to have to wait longer if you still have 3 or 4, that I would hate to see VRay devolopement take a hit to support them. There really is no choice whether to keep up or not anyways.

[rgbxyz]

RErender,

I completely agree with your thoughts. But coming right now, at this time, is wrong. You bet I'm going to have to make a decision, as other will too. Your right, it does effect everyone one way or the other.

Since we are all talking about when decisions are made I find this query stupefying. At this juncture ambiguities won't cut it.

Being forthright seems only fitting. For that we will all wait- once again.

I'm having a real problem with being sympathic to VRay's circumstances. One year gentlemen, one year to get to THIS?

Strikes me as being rather bush league at best.

Peter

[Psy]

They are in Hungary, if you don't ever bother to read where your investments come from. Hungary, not America! So off with your American stereotyping and realize that they really can't be in Bush's leage and that they most likely do not have your money sitting as Federal Reserve Notes somewhere.

By the way, total curiosity here, what kind of business did you get into when you were just 18?

[Fermi]

Budapest or Sofia?

I think they are form Hristo Stoichkov's country... ( you have him playin soccer in Washington) not form Ladislao Kubala's one

I agree with Peter.
They should do like other bussiness companies:

When time comes, stop futher developing, stop furhter improving, fix what is possible to fix, what is not will be fixed later in a Service Pack and what can't be fixed in the service pack, hopefully will, with next release.
Turn nice marketing machinery ON and make a lot of glamourous noise... What truly matter are the sales.

May be the problem is VRay is not in the stock market (if they are I did not know) and don't have to give improved value to stock holders.

Now, being an egoistic advanced user:
-comercial versions should have priority.
-I acknowledge Free and Demo are your marketing, and the tool to make your product known, but perhaps they can come later.

- Of course one day you'll have to stop suporting older versions, but keep in mind VIZ4 is the last version of the software, you have a fair amount of users among the VIZ community (Gonçalo and UBIKmh (Marc and Leon), being regulars at autodesk viz newsgroups helped making VRay well known with their excellent work... done with this buggy piece of software BTW :P :P :P )

Fermí

[cocolas]

keep in mind VIZ4 is the last version of the software, you have a fair amount of users among the VIZ community (Gonçalo and UBIKmh (Marc and Leon), being regulars at autodesk viz newsgroups helped making VRay well known with their excellent work... done with this buggy piece of software BTW :P :P :P )

Fermí

yeah, we're using viz4 all across our company and planned to buy 20 to 30 copies of vray by the begining of the year - but this question about version 4 is rather disturbing - we don't want to invest that kinda money in a software that could discontinue supporting our base 3d package - maybe Vlado needs to explain himself better/more clearly......

paul

[rgbxyz]

Psy-

"Bush league", here in the states refers to the minor leagues or lower of any team sport, the origin is from baseball. It's not the pro's- very far from it. For the record, I think politics has no place whatsoever in this type of forum.

As far as my start, at 18 I went into advertising (I had an in). Got a job at the bottom, moved up to the little places you may or may not be familiar with. Leo Burnett, Ogilvy & Mather, finished as one of those VP/Creative Directors at DDB Needham Worldwide.

As far as financial matters I'll stand by my statements. Btw, it says a lot about world today that these days the swiss franc is gaining a lot appeal as is gold even more so.

I think that the Austrian School of Economics is a great place to start for an overview- mises.org, what the free market is about and who succeeds and who fails.

Fermi-

I had much the same basic idea that you layed out and emailed a pithy suggestion directly to them regarding same. It may not be the most efficient. But proper prioritizing/goals- also know in some goofy circles as a business plan will advance the ball and the company.


Peter

[Fermi]

Hi Peter,

What I wrote I heartly believe in, and that's why I said it, yet my post was was half seriuos, half ironic, buecause I know (and accept) that chaotic dimenssion are a different kind of company ( at least the VRay part of the company)

They indeed do care about their product and they do care about customers, more than they do care about the market... they are lucky they can do so.

For one year now (may be 11 months) I've been using VRay in production, my problem is that once I tried it, I could no longer live without. Ok, sometimes I've had problems, as with any other piece of software, and often becasue of my missusing it.

I am giving them some credit

Fermí

[dbuchhofer]

Hola.. Strategy speaking Supporting version 4 at least until this mythical 1.1 thing happens is probably a good idea, Judging by the large amounts of architectual users who are on Viz4 and are not going anywhere (The feeling floating about the viz newsgroups)

That said, We're running 5.1 here for work, and 6 for screwing around thus far.. Not finding much by way of compelling reasons for switching that around