SP3: Arch&Design Materials render black inside of Multi-Subs

[gimiky]

it appears that arch&design material support in SP3 does not work if the material is within a multi-sub. can anyone confirm this?

assuming this is the case, any chance this will be fixed?

thanks,
greg

[robman321]

Arch Design Materials

Are you saying that if you remove the material sub obects vray renders the Arch Design Materials - thats labor intensive...I can't get the Promaterials which is basically Arch Design Material to render anything but Black... have you encounter this as well?

[vlado]

The Pro materials are not supported yet; we hope to release an expansion pack for sp3 to support those too sometime soon.

Best regards,
Vlado

[vlado]

I can't get the Promaterials which is basically Arch Design Material to render anything but Black...

They are not Arch&Design materials in the way you are used to thinking; they are mental ray shaders based on the mia_* mental ray material (the same one on which the Arch&Design material is based). However, there is no real Arch&Design material behind them as such.

Anyways, like I said, we should be able to support them to a useable degree soon enough.

Best regards,
Vlado

[gimiky]

arch design materials render in vray when they are not inside of a multi-sub. if they are nested in a multi-sub, they render black and without an alpha. not speaking about "pro materials" here, just the standard Arch&Design.

although i used to use vray exclusively when i was in arch-vis, we have been using mental ray consistently here on projects over the last year and a half or so. now that i am more versed with mr, there are a few things that have made me nostalgic for vray, so i am trying to get vray more integrated into our pipeline.

we have come to rely on mr's arch&design and fast skin almost exclusively, so when i saw SP3's support for arch&design as well as its new skin shader, it seemed i might be able to build a case for vray much more easily.

vlado: is this arch&design support a "bug" or a limitation you have yet to address? is it something that can be fixed soon or easily? almost all of our assets rely on multi-sub materials, and having arch&design support in vray for assets that have already been created is huge.

thanks,
greg

[vlado]

For the multi-subobject thing, it is an oversight really and we'll correct this.

Best regards,
Vlado

[vlado]

So I have a fix for this now, if anyone is interested, please email me to vlado@chaosgroup.com

Best regards,
Vlado

[Undersky]

Perhaps not directly related to this subject, but will it be possible to use mental mill to create shaders for use with V-ray when 3ds max 2010 is released? I mean since Arch & design works there shouldn't be impossible?

[zeronove]

Perhaps not directly related to this subject, but will it be possible to use mental mill to create shaders for use with V-ray when 3ds max 2010 is released? I mean since Arch & design works there shouldn't be impossible?

good question? Mental mill seems to be interesting, any comments about it?

[vlado]

We are looking into it, but it's too early to say anything. I don't think 3ds Max 2010 has the necessary framework to allow this yet, but it is certainly a future possibility.

Best regards,
Vlado

[robman321]

autodesk linear process -

Vlado,

Thanks for you foresight on this issue, Promaterials are the lowest common deminator as far as Autodesk Masterplan goes...

1. Revit Design
2. Max
3. Vray Render Solution

*We too must strive to be as linear as possible...

thanks, rob

They are not Arch&Design materials in the way you are used to thinking; they are mental ray shaders based on the mia_* mental ray material (the same one on which the Arch&Design material is based). However, there is no real Arch&Design material behind them as such.

Anyways, like I said, we should be able to support them to a useable degree soon enough.

Best regards,
Vlado

[Undersky]

We are looking into it, but it's too early to say anything. I don't think 3ds Max 2010 has the necessary framework to allow this yet, but it is certainly a future possibility.

That's good to hear!

[thablanch]

The Pro materials are not supported yet; we hope to release an expansion pack for sp3 to support those too sometime soon.

Best regards,
Vlado

Is there any news on that subject?