Can vray be as simple as octane

[Moriah]

Octane is really really REALLY bad for anything that involves some level of control in post, some cheating in render, stability, support, etc... Just have a look at their forums, people complaining left and right, OTOY keeps promising things and not delivering... And it's not THAT fast, look at Redshift for example, faster than Octane and loads of control like Vray too, still lacks some stuff but its promising. Vray nowadays it's so simple even my grandma could start rendering with it, really... If you look at it 4 years ago and now... dear god, how do people even complain? And no i'm not a fanboy, but literally you almost just have to click render, every setting works and it's pretty easy to adjust. GI super simple to setup, i don't even remember the last time i had GI flicker... And we're talking animation, with characters, environments, etc.

[Mokiki]

Pretty much what everyone is saying. Ever since the last sampler updates I don't deal with vray anymore on a technical level. The default settings are for the most part at least the work I do good enough. The only thing I change is from progressive to bucket and tinker with the noise threshold. Vray has become so simple to use.

[cb LLC]

we bought a different product from chaos that's how

[cb LLC]

problem is I have to click render button

[cb LLC]

So how fast vray can render with soft shadows. With octane we got 12 GTX 780TI cards and render one frame in 1-2 minutes 1080p all reflections, motion blue, DOF, soft shadows in AO mode. path tracing or unbiased will take 3-4 min per frame.

[cb LLC]

Does demo vray have the latest update to try with that new sampler or it is only in nightly builds? Also Do you use just vray or also vray RT? Thank you

[Sbrusse]

I think a lot of people here replied based on Vray Adv CPU
You obviously speak about GPU and that is only supported by Vray RT GPU
Try it for yourself, you will most certainly end up with a similar if not better result with Vray RT GPU than with Octane.
At least for all the benchmarks scenes I've done, Vray RT GPU was always faster for the same noise level

[bigbossfr]

problem is I have to click render button

I have to open Maya, arf.

[glorybound]

I guess everything is relative. Some things are worth waiting for and if you want fast and cheap, there are ways to do it. I did work for a guy who was using Octane. He had $15,000 worth of video cards and was pushing out interiors at 6K in 20 minutes. The spaces were simple, without displacement, or anything else that usually is taxing on a machine. I took his scene into V-Ray. Added displacement where needed and DOF. The rendering looked much better than the Octane render but took a lot longer.

[peteristrate]

As someone who tried a fair amount of GPU render engines, from iRay and ArionFX to Octane and Vray, I say Vray offers the best result in terms of speed and quality.
We decided Vray is the best option on the market at the moment and we sticked with it for almost 2 years.

In terms of quality, all kernels are the same, at least in terms of core programming. So, technically, you are able to get the same results.
The difference comes in tonemapping and LUTs where different render engines have their own approaches... and that's really a subjective preference. Some people might like Octane LUTs more, while some people prefer Vray.

Now, in terms of settings, Octane is much more simplistic, but limits you at the same time.
Vray has a lot more options which might seem confusing for someone who is mostly concerned only about the artistic side. But at the same time, all those extra settings allows you more freedom to optimize your settings for a better quality / time ratio.
For me, I had to play a bit to get the right settings in Vray, but now that I'm happy with those settings, I saved them as a render preset and I use it for all my scenes. No more hassle. But I do agree that Vray can benefit from more simplification.

In terms of rendering time... now that's where Vray shines.
I can only say:
- 1 hour for a 3k render
- 1.5 hours for a 5k render (or 2 hours if you want to remove all noise)
on 4 Titan x
And that's for interiors. Exteriors are rendering in an instant)

And that's without the denoiser.
Denoiser works great as well with the right settings, we use it 90% of the times now.

And here's a selection of our renders (you need an account on flicker): https://flic.kr/s/aHskz6qszS

[glorybound]

That Titan X, is the new GTX 1080 just as fast?

As someone who tried a fair amount of GPU render engines, from iRay and ArionFX to Octane and Vray, I say Vray offers the best result in terms of speed and quality.
We decided Vray is the best option on the market at the moment and we sticked with it for almost 2 years.

In terms of quality, all kernels are the same, at least in terms of core programming. So, technically, you are able to get the same results.
The difference comes in tonemapping and LUTs where different render engines have their own approaches... and that's really a subjective preference. Some people might like Octane LUTs more, while some people prefer Vray.

Now, in terms of settings, Octane is much more simplistic, but limits you at the same time.
Vray has a lot more options which might seem confusing for someone who is mostly concerned only about the artistic side. But at the same time, all those extra settings allows you more freedom to optimize your settings for a better quality / time ratio.
For me, I had to play a bit to get the right settings in Vray, but now that I'm happy with those settings, I saved them as a render preset and I use it for all my scenes. No more hassle. But I do agree that Vray can benefit from more simplification.

In terms of rendering time... now that's where Vray shines.
I can only say:
- 1 hour for a 3k render
- 1.5 hours for a 5k render (or 2 hours if you want to remove all noise)
on 4 Titan x
And that's for interiors. Exteriors are rendering in an instant)

And that's without the denoiser.
Denoiser works great as well with the right settings, we use it 90% of the times now.

And here's a selection of our renders (you need an account on flicker): https://flic.kr/s/aHskz6qszS

[peteristrate]

No.
The all new 1080(and its smaller brother, 1070, that is only about 10-20% slower) is much faster. At least 50% faster than the Titan X.
But the 1080 / 1070 have only 8GB memory, while Titan X has 12.
Titan X is also the fastest card, except the new 1080/1070.

[glorybound]

So, it is faster?

No.
The all new 1080(and its smaller brother, 1070, that is only about 10-20% slower) is much faster. At least 50% faster than the Titan X.
But the 1080 / 1070 have only 8GB memory, while Titan X has 12.
Titan X is also the fastest card, except the new 1080/1070.

[cb LLC]

Thank you all. Can Vray RT render motion blur for liquids. Currently octane does not do it because of API bug in 3ds max and cannot render mb for objects with changing topology.

[Sbrusse]

No.
The all new 1080(and its smaller brother, 1070, that is only about 10-20% slower) is much faster. At least 50% faster than the Titan X.
But the 1080 / 1070 have only 8GB memory, while Titan X has 12.
Titan X is also the fastest card, except the new 1080/1070.

From where did you get those numbers/info?

From my understanding and the tests that have been done by Blago, the 1080 isn't that faster than the Titan X, average of 3% faster
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