Anybody interested in sharing render fees?

[bpozas]

We usually charge between $400 and $600 dollars for a render, I´m interested in comparing the fees of other people from around the world.

Hope you guys share!

[cocolas]

hehehe......my company (an arch/engineering company) charges the client between $3000 to $4000 per renderning as for animations...I just did an exterior of a fairly complicated buiding attached to two other buidings.....it was a 360 around all three buidings...and I think we charged them something between $30,000 to $40,000....it took me three weeks to do it...I had the model mostly done in a rough form but they wanted a lot of changes (materials and geometry)......
three weeks included many modeling and material changes, lighting setup, and rendering of over 3000 frames.....

we're based in the US by the way,...as well as most of our clients...

paul.

[bpozas]

Cocolas,

I guess I should move to the US, are you intersted in outsourcing????, hehe!

We are based in México, and we are plannig to offer the service across the border in texas, and with this info I think we should hury.

[cocolas]

hehehe.....sure man....move to the US :P

with the quality of work I've seen coming from you, you should definalty charge more!!....I'd say double your fees at least

however you have to look at our fees in context...most of our clients are large goverment and military branches...think Pentagon and US Army Corps of Engineers....we did work on the Hoover Dam bypass and restructuring....as well as large healtcare facilities...and design and services fees that sometimes ecxeed 25 milion dolars.
When you charge that much to a client for design (architecture and engeneering fees) then charging 3 to 4 thousand dollars for a rendering is like a drop in the bucket.
That's the context you have to look at our rendering fees.
plus we never just do renderings for a client...we do design work as well...so our rendering/3d fees are in addition to the design fees...most of the time to illustrate our ideas or for the client to get donations. When they (the clients) get donors that donate to the project between 50 to 200 milion dollars...then again...a 40 or $50,000 animation is a "small" fee to pay in compare to the general cost of the project and the fees we charge for design....



paul.

[bpozas]

Cocolas,

Do you have any idea what a normal architectural firm would pay for a render for, lets say, a house or a commercial building?, I'm trying to find a parameter to offer my services in San Antonio and not be out of the market.

Thanks for the info in advance.

[cocolas]

.... a normal architectural firm.....

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well, that's hard to say because it depends on the job at hand and the client...however, I know people that have their own arch viz busyness, that charge for arch viz renderings of country houses anywhere betweeh $1200 and $1800 a rendering......could be a little less or more depending on how complicated the project at hand is....
it also depends if you know wheter or not you gonna still be doing busyness again with these guys after your first project.....and how many things are they asking for at once.
what I mean is......if they just want a "one time" rendering then charge them more...like 1800 or 2000...if however they want say three renderings of three different houses at once, then give them a discount...say 12 or 1300 a piece...because they want more pieces at one time.
and you could also tell them the same if they come to you next time for more renderings....that you can give them a discount or bulk price or different rendering or animations.
Guys I know here in the US that have their own arch viz biz, would get contracted to do multiple things at once: say 10 renderings of different houses, an animation and then put it all on an interactive DVD for clients marketing.....you could offer a package of services like that...and a discount if they are willing to go for it.

what ever you do, I'd suggest not to offer the current fees you have....because they are low for the american market...and for the quality that you put out......people would take advantage of you with those fees - ask for above 1000 per rendering at a minimum.....the quality you put out is worth it..at least in the US market.

as for animations......I can tell you that a guy I know did an animation for a Western resort in Hawaii for about 60,000....working on it for four to five months. this was both interior and exterior..and it lasted around 5 minutes I think.
animations are more difficult to price because they are more complex...especially interior animations.

hope the above helps to at least give you a general idea so you don't go in there blind....and also remeber that once you settle for a general price it's hard to change unlease you have a very good reason for it....if you start asking $500 per rendering...and then that client comes to you again and you ask for $1500 the next time...the client is gonna feel like you're trying to ripp him off....so ask for a good price the first time

also...its' better to go for land and realestate developers rather then architecture firms when you try to get jobs......arch firms are usually cheap...but land and realestate developers have much more money to spend for renderings and animations, because their investement is at hand.

hope this helps,

paul.

[Viscacha]

Hey we are an architectural firm from Texas...lol but we do all our rendering in house we have a small group of 7 artists that do only rendering/ animation, video and web work. Most of us have an architectural background but we do have a couple of people from the art institute here in dallas. We charge similar to what cocolas said they charge. 2-4k for a still rendering depending on the complexity. We do alot of airports so those are more expensive. And animation is more depending on length and detail it is a huge range we have done for less than 5,000 and more than 100K but the price is coming down each year it seems. BUT BEWARE with architects, the process is.... change it, change it, change it, lauch the animation .....ohhhhh can we change the brick color now? after 75 percent of the animation is rendered and still get that tomorrow. But maybe all industries are like that.......for fees the bottom line is our average billable rate is about $75 per hour, too bad we are not in california then we could double that...lol and we estimate the amount of hours to complete the task and that is the fee. We are also a very large architecture firm so getting paid slow in not that big of a deal but if you are a small company you might think about getting some money up front. Hope that helps.....

[suitaloon]

Hi all
Our firm chages between 2000 and 2500 euros per images. We're about ten (depending on how much work there is, we're all freelance...). We're based in France.

[vuotoarender]

share...

ok i'm payed about 35 €/h
modelling and rendering x architects only still no animation
sud europe italy

teaching 50€/h

very hard life:big concorrence from est europe

[rivoli]

here is an interesting thread started on CGarchitect:

http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/showth...0&page=1&pp=10

there are others on the same subject you can find around the forum, but i can't remember exactely where. i'm sure the same thing has been discussed several times, both from an american and an europen point of view.

[Palee]

First of all, we should move this topic to Take5...

Second:

- Advertising/animation:

In Hungary, there are several small groups of students using cracked softwares, and they don't work for earnings, but keep the prizes at low, 'cause clients allways looking for the better prize...

So, a freelancer have to work for about 10-18 €/h

There are some bigger studios here working for the bigger AD companies only... The speculative prizes of them is about 40-160€/sec /2D animation, the 3D is from about 150€/sec to the limit they can wheedle out of the client...
But strongly depends on the client's budget, because the hungarian market is soooo small. Usually the client said "I have xxx€ for this work, can you done for this prize, or should I find someone else?" So the company make a mouth, and do...

- For arch works I haven't so much exact datum, but I know, it depends on the raw materials. If man can get the *correct* ArchiCAD or AutoCAD files, and he/she don't have to spend days to write out all the vertices, overlapping faces etc..., 3-5 stills from different viewpoints could cost about 400-1400€/job. But this is for a freelancer, I haven't any friend working in arch/viz company.

Hope the EU membership brings more foreigner clients here soon...

P

[Palee]

http://www.bectu.org.uk/resources/rates/index.html

The dream............

[UBIKmh]

I charge about 1500 to 7000 euro's per project depending on three main factors.
one: how complex is the project and how many renderings do they want.
two: how much turnover do I get from the client.
three: how fast will they pay my bill.

Animations is a different story: basicly it's 8000 euro's and up (sky's the limit).

Marc

[reza]

the 1 thing about charging high fees is that the quality must match...and to my disgust some of the work ive seen does not match the price...regardless the time taken to do it..its killing the industry.

malaysia...about 1500 per image an roughfly 5000 for an animation. but this varies between the complex of the model..

as a freelacer...a typical work done must cover the individual salary for at least 2 month.

[jedisalf]

hehehe......my company (an arch/engineering company) charges the client between $3000 to $4000 per renderning as for animations

HOLY COW!.....when you say "per rendering" tahts the cost of just 1 image?

Crap, im an architect, and i dont make that amount of money in 1 year of salary.